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Post by Noriko on Aug 25, 2006 0:29:41 GMT -5
As much as I love my hakama and my many robes, I've decided to give masquerading as a peasant/commoner a try. However, since the event I'm planning on wearing this to is in mid-October in New England, it might be a bit chilly.
Is there any record of cloaks or fabric wraps to keep warm[1] in medieval Japan or would people just pile on the kimono? Indoors this might be a solution but what about for rambling around outdoors-though actually working would keep one warm... Would many layers of kimono be an option for lower classes as they didn't have the lifestyle of Heian court ladies, who pretty much sat around all day and could be weighed down by layers?
Thanks!
[1]I've read a bit on straw cloaks but I don't think I can manage that.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Aug 25, 2006 0:37:22 GMT -5
No cloaks. Layered kosode.
I may have misremembered, but I think Our Moderator made one out of a hula skirt....
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Post by Nagamochi on Aug 25, 2006 2:53:39 GMT -5
I don't know about clothes on this one, but I've always been a proponent for constant cuddling! ;D
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Post by mikaiyawa on Aug 25, 2006 8:23:41 GMT -5
some winter kosode had a layer of what we would call batting (like quilt batting) made from broken silk. I imagine a couple of those type padded robes might help.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Aug 25, 2006 8:37:03 GMT -5
some winter kosode had a layer of what we would call batting (like quilt batting) made from broken silk. I imagine a couple of those type padded robes might help. We had a thread on this last winter, it's somewhere in the Wafuku forum, but I'm about to dash out the door to work in a minute, so I can't search it. BTW, I've worn kosode in February at night in the Arizona desert. Two layers of unlined silk and one layer of cotton was quite comfortable. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Aug 25, 2006 8:37:56 GMT -5
I don't know about clothes on this one, but I've always been a proponent for constant cuddling! ;D One needs at least one partner for that. Sigh. |
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Post by Noriko on Aug 25, 2006 14:37:55 GMT -5
Ah thanks all. I guess I'm just suffering from Barbarian flowing cloak envy... I do have a nice earth toned kosode that would do well if I need to warm up, though if Makiwara is comfy in two silks and a cotton kosode, I should be fine in two of linen.
EDIT: I have pictures of my commoner/merchant garb up on the internet now. The skirt is not exactly how I'd like it, as the fabric and the design aren't period but I like the over-all effect and it's comfortable. Might have to give up the court lifestyle... (;
linky: photos.yahoo.com/booknerd9
click on "medieval garb" -the commoner photos are the last two
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Post by Ishikawa Yoshimasa on Aug 25, 2006 15:57:42 GMT -5
late october nights are usualy enough to inspire me to break out my old full circle cloak reguardless of what my persona would wear or whom I am cuddling with. durring theday my kamishimo is suficient, but then again I am meridian. I realy should make myself a set of winter garb before shivver hammer... I meen silver hammer. the rest of the time though tha cloak serves as bedding... sometimes a pillow some times a blanket... versitile cloak it is... has served me well for over a decade now.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Aug 25, 2006 16:03:16 GMT -5
I may have misremembered, but I think Our Moderator made one out of a hula skirt.... Jeez ... ... it was a hula skirt and a beach mat.  Mino (straw coats) are more for the rain and snow than they are for the cold. I've run across references to quilted or stuffed robes, but don't know when they first came around. I use a heavy robe somewhat like a manly uchigake for an outerrobe and lots of inner layers for dealing with the cold. If its really cold, I wear thermal underwear as my first layer. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Aug 25, 2006 20:30:51 GMT -5
Oh, jeez yourself, silly man. You have a documentable talent for making stuff out of other stuff - like those tent stake armor splints and gutter flashing kozane.....  It made a most excellent mino. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Aug 25, 2006 20:33:16 GMT -5
It could go all Indian Summer on you and you can always layer or unlayer as needed. (Shudder!) Might have to act like I don't know you. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Aug 25, 2006 21:03:38 GMT -5
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Post by Noriko on Aug 26, 2006 10:45:02 GMT -5
It could go all Indian Summer on you and you can always layer or unlayer as needed. Heh, I live in southern New England- where we say about the weather 'If you don't like it, wait a minute'- Mark Twain. Autumn and spring are the weirdest seasons because they're not very predictable. I mean, it's snowed in April... (Shudder!) Might have to act like I don't know you. *sniffle* But it's really pretty commoner garb. And you could always use a retainer, right? Someone to pick flowers and make rice balls?  |
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Post by Ishikawa Yoshimasa on Aug 26, 2006 15:55:18 GMT -5
that is what samurai are for... why would one want to associate with common peasantry... |
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Post by solveig on Aug 26, 2006 17:37:52 GMT -5
Noble Cousins! Greetings from Solveig! some winter kosode had a layer of what we would call batting (like quilt batting) made from broken silk. For peasants, you might expect shredded old clothing to be used as batting material. They might also be using what is recorded as "tree cotton". As for cloaks. They wore straw cloaks to ward off snow. They also wore multiple layers of jacket-like garments and such like. The Japanese also fashioned snow boots out of straw. |
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