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Post by oravainen on Sept 18, 2009 11:06:25 GMT -5
Most period japanese clothing is somewhat open around the throat. Commonly I see round collars only on formal clothing, and then there's the standing collar on gusoku shita. The closest layer to the skin is almost always a juban, and it's collar most often also reaches the highest. Still, a kosode-style cut leaves the throat inadequately protected from winter cold.
I've heard that there isn't a problem in period japanese clothing that couldn't be fixed with a strip of fabric. In this case, could it be wrapped around the neck? Is there another solution, or were the japanese of the age that much more resistant to cold and/or the subsequent sore throat?
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 18, 2009 12:04:21 GMT -5
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Post by oravainen on Sept 18, 2009 12:57:27 GMT -5
I suppose a wide-ish collar helps in this matter...
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 18, 2009 13:22:13 GMT -5
I suppose a wide-ish collar helps in this matter... Absolutely! (Not to mention preventing sunburn on hot days either.) Silk is also a wonderful insulator, particularly when worn in layers. ;D That said, I am not above such things as wearing v-necked silk long underwear or fleece tabi socks if conditions warrant. If it's really THAT cold, protect yourself first, worry about authenticity second.
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Post by AJBryant on Sept 18, 2009 13:30:13 GMT -5
The iconic image of Nakamura Mondo from Hissatsu (okay, it's post-period, but still...)
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Post by oravainen on Sept 20, 2009 15:17:50 GMT -5
That said, I am not above such things as wearing v-necked silk long underwear or fleece tabi socks if conditions warrant. If it's really THAT cold, protect yourself first, worry about authenticity second. The tabi are another thing that isn't too warm. I suppose it helps a little to war kure tabi rather than ones made from fabric, but once it gets really cold that won't be enough. I'm mostly just curious. Nowadays the winters are at their worst with 5-14 farenheit. Fleece tabi sounds very reasonable (reminds me of the local tradition of wool socks) Layers of clothing, especially of silk, can keep the cold away, but what did they use as winter footgear? It's hard to imagine tabi stuffed with hay... Also, a sleeve that doesn't reach the wrist is unpleasant in cold weather. I've gotten the picture that longer sleeves (like wider hakama) are a status symbol, but were they worn by all classes in winter?
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 21, 2009 8:10:59 GMT -5
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Post by Imagawa Tadamori on Sept 21, 2009 13:26:27 GMT -5
The iconic image of Nakamura Mondo from Hissatsu (okay, it's post-period, but still...) It's been Photoshopped too... - Imagawa
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Post by AJBryant on Sept 21, 2009 15:11:57 GMT -5
It has?
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Post by solveig on Sept 21, 2009 15:52:41 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! The tabi are another thing that isn't too warm. I suppose it helps a little to war kure tabi rather than ones made from fabric, but once it gets really cold that won't be enough. Well, I'm not sure that they go back to actual period, but there are heated foot warmers which can be used while in bed. The ones that I encountered were, as I recall, heated with charcoal. This depends a bit on time. Late period, you get tatami covered floors. Tatami act as an insulator and what with clothing dangling far beyond the feet in the case of nagabakama and some kosode, you get quite a bit of insulation. Remember that your body is a 100W space heater. I have a hard time from some of these questions about whether people are asking about inside or outside wear. People generally took shelter during inclement weather. Anyway, Japanese had straw snow boots and straw snow capes. They also had padded cloth back hand protectors.
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Post by Imagawa Tadamori on Sept 21, 2009 23:32:09 GMT -5
Yup. Blow up the picture and look at the topknot. It's been added to the picture after the fact. The hair color doesn't match and the topknot has no highlights in it - making it inconsistent with the rest of his hair. There are numerous JPEG "artifacts" around the topknot too... a sure sign that the picture was saved as a JPEG, edited, and re-saved as a JPEG. My apologies for the threadjacking, but with the emphasis on authenticity around here, I thought it bore mentioning. - Imagawa
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Post by bovil on Sept 22, 2009 0:16:17 GMT -5
Yup. Blow up the picture and look at the topknot. It's been added to the picture after the fact. The hair color doesn't match and the topknot has no highlights in it - making it inconsistent with the rest of his hair. There are numerous JPEG "artifacts" around the topknot too... a sure sign that the picture was saved as a JPEG, edited, and re-saved as a JPEG. The JPEG artifacts aren't really proof, particularly from pics pulled from the web that may have been resized multiple times. The lack of highlights could just be bad black clipping or color management in the original. One of the easiest ways to detect compositing, particularly bad compositing like this, is to switch to the blue channel. In the blue channel there's a glowing white edge around the topknot that doesn't exist anywhere else on the picture. A really good digital artist can avoid/prevent this kind of evidence, but in this case it's conclusive. Otherwise, I just might have thought that the topknot was a badly-matched extension.
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Post by AJBryant on Sept 22, 2009 1:26:44 GMT -5
Well, the chonmage probably wasn't as visible in the photo as they wanted, so they "fixed" it.
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Post by solveig on Sept 22, 2009 20:29:11 GMT -5
Baron Edward! Greetings from Solveig! Well, the chonmage probably wasn't as visible in the photo as they wanted, so they "fixed" it. Not a very good photoshop job as you don't even have to blow up the image to see the artifacts. Regardless, the image itself is apropos of practically nothing. If I recall correctly, one of the hissatsu movies featured a cast with neon colored hair.
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Post by bovil on Sept 23, 2009 11:28:35 GMT -5
Not a very good photoshop job as you don't even have to blow up the image to see the artifacts. Again, the general existence of artifacts and their visibility aren't the evidence. This is a very low resolution high compression image. Artifacts are present and visible even where the image hasn't been modified.
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