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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Oct 17, 2005 7:16:42 GMT -5
So, if I read this thread through, Microfiber KaliFORNIA cheese is not good to line wafuku with as it stretches under its own weight, and is hard to clean off your shoulders, but Wisconsin cheese is washable, but hard to get in the States? Cool. What about toasted grilled cacoon sandwhiches with german mustard on Rye? Is that Kosher for use after the tenth lunar month during Octoberfest?
Date, perplexed...
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Post by Sakurai Takamori on Oct 17, 2005 8:18:47 GMT -5
Inoue-hime,
If you're looking to attach padding, fill etc without stitching, you might want to try something called steam 'a seam....though it might be marketed under a different name.
My good lady uses it for her quilting... Essentially it is sheets or a roll of white stuff that looks a little like a dryer fabric softener sheet....you know white and porous.
Basically you put it between the layer of fabric and the layer of padding/fil and then iron the bejeezus out of it. Voila....it's melded into one piece.
Do that a couple of times, then assemble your garment and (I think) you'd have a moderately hardy warm-lined article of clothing.
To make sure the padding doesn't slip around once the garment is made, you might want to use this stuff before cutting your garment pieces....so that you essentially are cutting your pieces from the pre-layerd fabric/padding.
Then when you run your seams it will act as an extra anchor to the padding. One drawback is that it's not that cheap. You should be able to find it in most sewing centres or (especially) in quilting shops.
Does this make sense....it's an early morning after a night shift and I have only had one coffee so far so the brain's not working at full speed.
hope it helps
Sakurai
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 17, 2005 8:26:42 GMT -5
Blech.
What kind of jelly do you like? For when we fill your kabuto with peanut butter?
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 17, 2005 8:37:03 GMT -5
It sounds like a fusible interfacing of some sort. My only thought is that it may either end up being a little stiff - or work loose after some wear. I used something similar for applique work and it eventually un-fuse, particularly in spots where it's going to flex.
On the other hand, it can't hurt to give it a try.
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Oct 17, 2005 9:37:51 GMT -5
Hmm...Clownfish in a half shell! ;-) Date
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Post by Ichikawa Masako on Oct 17, 2005 10:41:37 GMT -5
all be it this isnt by any means period but I found some fleece backed satin at Joanns awhile back. And the stuff i found wasnt all bright and shiny had a slight sheen but thats it. I plan on making one of my under layers out of it. I tend to get cold pretty easy in the winter.
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Post by Nagamochi on Oct 17, 2005 11:42:05 GMT -5
Oooh no she didn't. Because you know, we have all of these fabulous exotic foods in our grocery stores, but we make nothing but "plastic" cheese. First a fit over my sensu and now she disses California cheese. We actually have a lot of very good cheeses which aren't plastic orange "dyed" stuff either. Besides, we have a cheese which originates here as well, Monterey Jack Cheese (which by the way isn't dyed like your native Wisconsin colby . For that offense, I say no Mawata for you! ;D (I'm being silly, of course) She? SHE!?? Madyaas-sweetie, just because I wear scarlet red hakama doesn't mean I'm AUTOMATICALLY female. Inoue-hime, glad to meet a fellow Northshielder doing Nihonjin, especially one that isn't male. welcome! Nagamochi
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Post by Kitadatetenno on Oct 17, 2005 13:15:32 GMT -5
Given the structure of government milk price supports, silly is appropriate. You don't want me to go into it.
AEsa has a kosode lined with polar fleece. It's warm as anything, but a bit bulky.
As for how they kept the stuffing in place, it seems apparent that they didn't, though my conjecture is that it got moved back around during cleaning. Many of the 'wadded' pieces I see in the books have their stuffing settled down to the hem.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 17, 2005 13:52:05 GMT -5
But, Little Sister, you got the "Jo/Amy" metaphor when I IM'd you last night! I'm SO confused!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Saionji
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Post by madyaas on Oct 17, 2005 15:56:32 GMT -5
She? SHE!?? Madyaas-sweetie, just because I wear scarlet red hakama doesn't mean I'm AUTOMATICALLY female. Inoue-hime, glad to meet a fellow Northshielder doing Nihonjin, especially one that isn't male. welcome! Nagamochi I should watch my use of gay-camp persona when referring to guys. It's common for us to call guys "girl" when being silly. To be a fly on the wall around my friends, you'd wonder where all the women are that we keep calling "girl". ;D
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Post by Nagamochi on Oct 17, 2005 18:10:12 GMT -5
*lol to Madyaas* How true!
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Post by Inoue Tsukiko on Oct 18, 2005 23:26:31 GMT -5
Oh wow. Thank you all I think I shall try a little bit of everything offered. Its a long winter up here after all. I have plenty of time to experiment. Minnesota, winter... lots of time to experiment! I've found so much good stuff on this board. So many links. Information. Its almost hard to pin down exactly where to start! Strangely enough, of all the things to have come up in a conversation at work it involved milk prices today, which led to the sugar industry and on and on and... I think I made my poor co-worker's brain cry, or bleed. Oops ;D Yep. Just a little farm girl at heart. Tossing seventy-five pound bales of hay. Catching two hundred and twenty pound ewes in mid-air... Anyway! Next question is for something near and dear to my heart. Footwear! Where would be a good place to start looking? Muromachi and Momoyama preferred, but not exclusive. Not necessarily winterized, though that would be greatly appreciated, but these lovely toes of mine deserve to be just as fairly outfitted as the rest of me throughout the year.
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Post by Nagamochi on Oct 19, 2005 0:52:25 GMT -5
Inoue-hime! You like footwear!? Yee-haa, a woman after my own heart!
There's three main types I can think of right off the bat:
1) Kegutsu A wonderfully durable leather and fur boot. Nice and warm from what I hear. There's a few members of Yama Kaminari that have some, check their site for pics. Talk to Date-dono on how to make them, I think he made his pair.
2) Geta Think wooden thong flip-flops, on stilts (known as ha). There's typically two ha per geta, which normally range anywhere from 2 to 8 inches, though once in a blue moon do end up taller. There's also tengu geta, which have one ha. (Obviously I don't really recommend them.) It's taken me a while to learn to walk in my pair and they can end up being bloody uncomfortable, though I don't go to an event without them. As Saionji-dono has mentioned, they're like four-wheel drive for your feet. I can muck through mud and puddles and never my clothes or me soiled.
3) Waraji Straw sandals. Can be made in a thong style, or a Roman style that wraps around one's leg. They're quite easy to make, inexpensive, and surprisingly durable. There's how-to directions for them on SCA-JML. Though to give you a word of warning: Do not use rope for the "weft" of the footbed as I did for my first pair. There's a reason I endearingly call them the Waraji Of Shametm.
There's a couple more styles of foot wear out there, but I'm unsure if they're period, like thick soled zori, or unsure of they're construction, like those black, tissue-box shaped clogs reminiscent of Dutch apparel.
Fujiwara no Dairo Nagamochi
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 19, 2005 1:14:51 GMT -5
As you know, the Japanese go shoeless indoors. That's not always viable at some event sites. You can buy modern tabi, but given the conditions that you may have to wear them in, think about making your own. That gives you a choice of warmer materials, inner linings, and so on that will keep you and your tooties happy - and they'll LOOK period. Otagiri-dono's got some how-to info up over on www.rhinohide.cx/tousando/yoriaku/ Just click on "tabi" in the list at the left, then look for the pattern link at the bottom of the page. Cut them out big, fit them to your feet as you begin basting them together. Which reminds me, I should probably make another pair.... You can sometimes find geta and zori on eBay. www.houserice.com has stuff that's not too pricy. There is no left or right. Women's geta are often more oval, men's more rectangular. Sizing can be somewhat limited, depending on where you find them. It's OK if they're a little small - my pinky toes routinely hang off the edges of mine. (On the other hand, when we saw the kyogen production, all the actors were falling out of their zori, so I think hanging out of one's footwear is normal for the Japanese.) They're often quite tight at the thong when you first get them. They will stretch. Geta - the wooden ones - are 4 wheel drive for your feet, specifically for outdoors in mucky conditions. They take a little practice to walk in, but aren't as tricky as you'd think. Except that one time in the Modesto Doubletree with the marble floor in the lobby. Or that gopher hole at Crown Tourney. Small steps, slightly flat footed. (Which, by the way, will also keep your kosode from flapping open in front.) I have a pair of the big ones with the wooden ha, and a lacquered pair (with bunnies on 'em), that are somewhat modern looking, but the low profile is easier to get away with if I'm somewhere I feel like I should keep my shoes on. I have actually seen winter geta that have a sort of fabric hood over the front, makes them look like mules with a thong inside. I don't know how far back they go historically, but in your part of the world, it might not be a bad idea. Zori are more of an all around sandal. They'll be quieter to walk in too. The "rustic" styles at www.goodsfromjapan.com/shop/sandals.html look fairly period, however, I ordered a pair and they are just a little too small for comfort on me. Saionji
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 19, 2005 1:23:56 GMT -5
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