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Post by Shintaro Yamamoto Ujiyori on Jan 31, 2005 20:01:00 GMT -5
Ok, I have no clue about head wear and with the choices of headwear out there I do not want to make an uninformed choice. So tell me what I am looking for ;D I, like most others, am looking at what a samurai class person would wear when traveling or in bad weather.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Feb 2, 2005 13:45:27 GMT -5
Eboshi: suitable for nobles in formal settings (even outdoor formals)
Straw Kasa: suitable for all samurai at all but the most formal outdoor events.
Conical Jingasa: simple metal/leather/paper conical hats suitable for most samurai at military events - on the march, muster, ...
Formal jingasa: These are various later period jingasa in the shape of a 'toroise shell' which might be worn by police officers or other officials in the line of duty.
Tenugui: 'Bandanas' worn in various ways tied onto the head. Very informal, peasanty thing (except when worn under a helmet).
There are various clothes tied onto the head with small metal bits that could be worn in semi-civilian situations by low ranking samurai. Hitai-ate?
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 3, 2005 15:27:58 GMT -5
www.shop-japan.co.jp/english-boku/warring5.htm has a decent selection of gasa (straw hats) suitable for pre 1600 portrayal. I just bought the sando gasa which I am in the process of converting to a mushi-no-tareginu complete with "curtains" to protect a lady's modesty and keep the bugs off. (Their ichime gasa, which is more correct, was considerably more expensive and is a smaller diameter, so I thought this was a reasonable compromise.) They're not cheap, but my hat arrived in less than a week from Japan, packed very carefully in a great deal of newspaper. They accept major credit cards and Paypal and have a currency converter on their website, so you can figure out what you're paying. Hats come with an atamadai (chin strap assembly) which you attach yourself so you can arrange it to fit the way you want. Makiwara
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Post by Yamamori on Mar 10, 2005 22:34:08 GMT -5
Eff used to have a nice section on this.
For men:
If you wear court garb, you need a lacquered hat of varying shape - Eff generally includes a picture of it in the outfits section of his online garb manual.
If you're a bushi, you generally wear a tall cap that's been folded down and then lacquered, unless you're arming for war or hangning around the camp before/after a battle, in which case you would probably wear one of the tall caps without lacquer, just a cloth bag really, to keep you hair out of the way. Eff has a pattern for this in the armor manual.
As noted above, when travelling or walking around in the rain, a kasa-style hat is appropriate for a bushi.
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Post by Masahide on Mar 10, 2005 23:52:16 GMT -5
Soooo..... Tate-eboshi are ok for hanging around (or a variant of them anyway)  I'm always reading about ori-eboshi for buke:  But how does one make one? I've never really seen one close up. What fabric? Anyone got a pattern? I have seen Date-dono wearing them in pictures..... Can we get some guidance? Masahide |
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Post by rjsimmons on Mar 11, 2005 9:09:17 GMT -5
Soooo..... Tate-eboshi are ok for hanging around (or a variant of them anyway) I'm always reading about ori-eboshi for buke: But how does one make one? I've never really seen one close up. What fabric? Anyone got a pattern? I have seen Date-dono wearing them in pictures..... Can we get some guidance? Masahide It is simply an eboshi that has been laquered and folded. The cords make it easier to stay on your head. |
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Mar 11, 2005 10:07:04 GMT -5
I agree with the Major,
samurai-eboshi are simply folded and lacquered fabric - using folds that are common in origami...the principles are similar.
Some are quite thin gauze like fabric, with light lacquering - others are lacquered to within an inch of their lives...
There were several methods of folding - some houses had more or less standard folds for their house - others were more random and creative.
I have developed a method of folding I use for my house - I will try to get pics up later this afternoon.
I have made samurai eboshi for my retainer and brother in the same way.
For SCA samurai eboshi, I have used polyeurothane on the fabric...which works fine, but i found that the body heat can actually soften it and make the hat die. I solved this in two ways...I used two part epoxy on the inside of a hat to make it armor hard. This works well, and body heat does not melt it. I have also started importing real lacquer, and using that. Suprise - the real stuff works quite well!
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Mar 11, 2005 10:23:43 GMT -5
I have also started importing real lacquer, and using that. Suprise - the real stuff works quite well! I hope you have a large supply of rubber suits... Joking aside how is the toxicity of the stuff you are working with when it is still wet? Any rash problems? Also I would be interested in your source, I'd be interested in getting some. -Takeda |
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Mar 11, 2005 11:52:56 GMT -5
I read that the toxicity of real urushi is high...and is something akin to Poison-Ivy...but with the proper percautions, and a suitable drying time I have never had difficulty.
As for the source, there are a number of Sword Restoration sites that sell urushi by the tube - these are what I use. They cost about $15.00 bucks per tube...and come in clear or other colors - black being most suitable for us. They are used in making saya.
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Mar 11, 2005 12:01:24 GMT -5
What suppliers do you recommend?
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Mar 11, 2005 14:01:04 GMT -5
As for rubber suits, i will thank you to leave my private life out of this! ;-)
I'll look for sources, and get back to you...
Batman - I mean...
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Post by raito on Mar 11, 2005 14:35:33 GMT -5
I read that the toxicity of real urushi is high...and is something akin to Poison-Ivy...but with the proper percautions, and a suitable drying time I have never had difficulty. Date 'Something akin'? All the research I've done shows that it's the same stuff. There's a reason that the allergens in poison ivy are called 'urushiols'. Said research also indicates that some people are so allergic that they can't handle a cured piece without breaking out, and that most Asians are less susceptible. And my organic chemist seems to agree with me... (Did you know that you can make urushi turn blue? Don't tell the guys with the barrels ;D ) |
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Mar 11, 2005 15:11:05 GMT -5
...'Something akin'? All the research I've done shows that it's the same stuff. There's a reason that the allergens in poison ivy are called 'urushiols'.... IIRC the plant used for high grade urushi is closer to the poison sumac, apples to oranges... they both can put a severe hurt on you. I know you can make blue urushi, but it takes metalic colorants from what I been told, and their use and introduction was post period. In period it seems there was only "organic" colorants used, the most frequent being charcoal and red clay/dirt (forgot the term) vegetable matter like indigo dissolves an looses all it's color when exposed to the toxic soup. -Takeda |
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Mar 11, 2005 16:29:57 GMT -5
You know the funny thing is that I used to make tree forts out of poison sumac - bending the branches, and tying them together as I willed. I never suffered any ill effects, so i did not know it was "poison".
I got the sap all over me, and came home covered in juice from the things...but never suffered any ill effects.
The sap ruined many pairs of jeans, but how would a kid have any way to compare that sort of cause and effect?
I knew the name "poison sumac" but I never had trouble with it.
Everyone told me I was crazy, but truth be told, I thought them crazy because it never bothered me.
I wear cloves when I work real urushi, just to err on the side of caution, but I personally do not fear it much.
And of course, I do not make many tree forts any longer...but I could be teased into it, I think!
I am the romantic sort...
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Mar 12, 2005 0:35:43 GMT -5
As for rubber suits, i will thank you to leave my private life out of this! ;-) "Once again, this has been a broadcast of WTMI. Just when you've heard too much, we give you MORE." |
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