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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Feb 24, 2005 13:25:40 GMT -5
Here are pics of a new suikan kamishimo I have been working on...Makiwara-dono asked about them, so I thought I would post...   The top and bottom are the same color, but the light changed as I was taking the photo...I will see later if i can wrangle them back into the same spectrum... There is a Hitatare no kami of the same color, but I still need to take pics of it. The wood behind the suikan is a large square piece of wood I polyeurothaned and made into a folding/cutting board...I whole-heartedly reccomend them... Date |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 24, 2005 13:37:15 GMT -5
Ooh, ahh, ohh, wow. ;->
Thanks for posting those.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Feb 24, 2005 13:42:49 GMT -5
I think we know who is the clothes' horse in Yama Kaminari.  Hand brushed? Factory Printed? How big are the sleeves (along the arm and 'from' the arm)? Are these hakama (seperate legs)? How wide are the panels for the legs? If hakama, do they have a center panel between the legs? Is it normal to have ties on the sleeves but none on the legs? |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 24, 2005 14:10:28 GMT -5
I think we know who is the clothes' horse in Yama Kaminari. Yeah, yeah, it's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it. ;-> Psst, gentlemen, ladies appreciate men who dress well, particularly in historical clothing. (Well, maybe not that foofy Landsknecht stuff where you take ten yards of mismatched colored wool and run it through a Cuisinart......) M. |
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Feb 24, 2005 14:40:15 GMT -5
(Makiwara quote)I think we know who is the clothes' horse in Yama Kaminari. I like the way Seimei-dono comports himself...and truthfully, I am not a clothes horse...I just want things to be right... (quote)Hand brushed? Factory Printed? Factory - its a brocade... (quote)How big are the sleeves (along the arm and 'from' the arm)? I use 15 inch pannels as a norm, and 7 1/2 inch half panels - so this one is 23 1/2 inches off the shoulder (with 1/2 inch seam allowances...) and they are 30 inches top to bottom seam... (quote)Are these hakama (seperate legs)? Yes - seperate legs about 18 inches longer than normal hakama, with drawstring bottom hems so I can tie them on my mid calf to get the right hang... (quote)How wide are the panels for the legs? Same 15 inch panels (quote)If hakama, do they have a center panel between the legs? I put in a seperate half width panel in the crotch - so I have two 15 inch panels in front, two 15 inch panels in back, and a half panel making up the inseam of each leg... (quote)Is it normal to have ties on the sleeves but none on the legs? There is a historic precidence for putting ties on the hem in these type of hakama (be damned if I can recal the name just now) but yes... My Knight, Sir Ogami, has mandated that his squires look the part of the personas they are attempting to portray...and since I am doing an earlier persona, I feel it is important to not do things generically, but to try to push the envelope forward a little bit so others can see what it should be like. Many folk choose to do late period persona, which is fine...but because I have a not-so-common persona and period, it is important that the stage dressing is proper. I still believe in the concept of "creative" anachronism...using what you can is important...for me, I suffer from heat issues ever since I got ruined in Saudi in the first Gulf War. We had 120= degree temps in the day time, and below freezing temps at night...my internal thermostat got broken...but the things I do for pleasure in Medieval recreation must take that into account... So, not all of my clothes are of the finest silk...some of them are built for sweating in, and for jumping in creeks to cool myself off to prevent heat stroke. My fighting clothes are built so that they can take a beating without having to be repaired every time. Yes i use a sewing machine...(a very old, forward-and-backward-only sewing machine...but hey...it works, and only cost me $1.00 at an auction...!) This is a game...a fun game...but folks need to remember...it beats the hell out of some modern things! Date |
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Feb 24, 2005 14:50:13 GMT -5
I think we know who is the clothes' horse in Yama Kaminari. Hand brushed? Factory Printed? Damn you Sir! Now I am thinking about THAT!!! I am already working on hand brushing the first chapter of SunZi Bing Fa in gold lacquer on my O-daiko...now I have to think about this!!! The List owner is posessed, and evil! Date... Harumph... (Where are my brushes?) |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 24, 2005 14:59:52 GMT -5
The List owner is posessed, and evil! That's part of his charm. ;-> I got to meet our Esteemed List Owner at Estrella. I suspect but cannot prove that he has studied the ways of the Onmyoji because I found myself becoming positively STOOPID on half a bottle of Mike's Hard Lemonade in his presence. Next time I'M bringing the sake. ;-> M./ |
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Feb 24, 2005 15:10:26 GMT -5
That's part of his charm. ;-> I got to meet our Esteemed List Owner at Estrella. I suspect but cannot prove that he has studied the ways of the Onmyoji because I found myself becoming positively STOOPID on half a bottle of Mike's Hard Lemonade in his presence. Next time I'M bringing the sake. ;-> M./ Oh...I do hope we meet, perhaps at Pennsic, dear lady...I shall introduce you to stuff brewed in the mountainous Mutsu...heh. We are not so refined as those in the capital...but we sure can party! |
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Post by Saiaiko on Feb 25, 2005 9:30:46 GMT -5
I'd be careful about those Onmyoji guys... If recent memory serves me, Seimei (the Heian swank from Onmyoji and Onmyoji II always seemed to get the heroine of the movie topless and moaning in his garden.
But in any case, the clothes horsey-ness is contagious. Date-dono's enthusiasm has made it impossible to be content with the same old kosode and black hakama. I wish we were the same size, because I would totally be raiding his tansu at War.
Question: How do you determine what types of prints are period for you?
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Post by raito on Feb 25, 2005 11:18:33 GMT -5
Question: How do you determine what types of prints are period for you? The short answer is to do lots of research. Find every book you can, and study the pictures. After a while, you'll be able to make a pretty good estimate of when something was produced by looking at it. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 25, 2005 13:04:34 GMT -5
Oh...I do hope we meet, perhaps at Pennsic, dear lady...I shall introduce you to stuff brewed in the mountainous Mutsu...heh. We are not so refined as those in the capital...but we sure can party! I wish! Especially having successfully survived a day at Estrella in Japanese. I just have no idea how I can swing it logistically from here at this point. ;-< M. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 25, 2005 13:17:32 GMT -5
I'd be careful about those Onmyoji guys... If recent memory serves me, Seimei (the Heian swank from Onmyoji and Onmyoji II always seemed to get the heroine of the movie topless and moaning in his garden. Sounds like "Clue." Actually it was more like giggly and garrulous by his fireside. I couldn't seem to shut up. No, mine host was most chivalrous and gentlemanly. Though at the time I was in 14th century namban-wear and he might have found that off-putting and was just too courteous to say so..... But in any case, the clothes horsey-ness is contagious. Tell me about it, Hime. I was inches away from attacking my own king at Twelfth Night. As if I'd actually SUCCEED in knocking him down and getting that gorgeous red and gold ecclesiastical brocade off him with out a fight. ;-< It's interesting, actually. My European alter ego dresses fairly simply most of the time. Makiwara gets to be the clothes horse. Question: How do you determine what types of prints are period for you? What period are you looking at? If you're late period, there are lots of extant textiles kicking around in musuem collections. Your other option is to look at artwork from your chosen period as that may give clues. My little library Japonica is slowly growing and I'd be check for examples if I know what period you want. Makiwara |
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Post by Saiaiko on Feb 25, 2005 14:48:16 GMT -5
(Grins at the idea of a kuge girl bopping the King on the head to get at his clothes.)
Makiwara-hime, I do hope you get to Pennsic someday. Though I do not partake of the perilous Mutsu mountain drinks (read: moonshine), I wouldn't mind helping Date-dono keep your hitoe out of the mud as we went a-partying.
As far as your Japanese persona being the clothes horse? My feelings are that if one is going to wear it, one should wear alot of it! Especially if it is some type of magnificent fabric!
My time period is that of the Gempei Wars (1181-1184 CE). I am a fighting retainer in the service of Tomoe Gozen, but while my servants are washing the blood out of my splendid fighting clothes, I like to emulate the kuge in dress. I am concentrating on making summer outfits for Pennsic now. Referencing the Kimono Book by Liz Dalby, and a few internet resources, I have a pretty good idea of what I need for girly social dress.
The fabric question becomes most pertinent when I need to make military wear. When I go to Ice Dragon in March, I will be in the military mode and will dress accordingly. The problem I am running into is that paintings of samurai (that I have found) show mostly battle-wear and not the more casual clothing. Textile examples from the Heian jidai seem to be scarce and mostly from the kuge class. I like Date-dono's work, but I am afraid that the 200 years between our personas might be too great for me to use his resources as references for my clothing.
I would be honored by any assistance. (My Japonica is a wee bit tiny right now.) ;D
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Feb 25, 2005 16:04:01 GMT -5
Well, when planning for Pennsic, one must plan for every weather, except for running from volcanoes -
It has rained copiously, been frosty cold, devestatingly hot, sweltering, humid, sweltering, hot, (did I mention sweltering...?), humid, sweltering, hot and humid and sweltering and humid more...freezing cold and swelteringly hot and humid the next few hours, and hot.
Oh, and it gets frickin hot.
And Humid.
And freezing cold, with pelting rain.
And Hot.
Mostly hot.
I have never seen it snow, but I have woken to frost...
Oh, and lastly - just when you think that you have Pennsic weather figured out...A volcano erupts or something...
That having been said, Pennsic is usually hot, cold, sweltering, freezing and rainey - so we tend to pack a lot of variations of clothing to cover our bases - and except for one gal I know who camped beside me last year - , we bring blankets...
I have camped at Potrero numerous times in CAID - and it is just cold and hot - easy weather for clothing...
Pennsic...Buddha's Hells, I know people who bring sewing machines to War and make clothing as they go...just to cover their bases!
There is a peculiar thing I have seen happen at Pennsic worth mentioning... - I have seen it so nasty hot muggy that people walk around braving the weather...but a flash thunderstorm will pop up. People will open their arms and raise their faces to the sky, inviting the rain onto them like sunflowers...- - they will actually stop moving and worship the sky!
I have also seen dozens of people stop where they are standing, and raise their arms like a scarecrow, turn, and let the wind fill their kosode sleeves...just to cool off - AT THE SAME TIME!!
Date.
Did I mention it is sometimes HOT at Pennsic?
Gods and Buddhas I love Pennsic...
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 26, 2005 1:55:35 GMT -5
(Grins at the idea of a kuge girl bopping the King on the head to get at his clothes.) And he a big blond Viking boy, yabetcha. ;-> Go here to see why I was tempted, though: history.westkingdom.org/Year39/Photos/TN06.htmMakiwara-hime, I do hope you get to Pennsic someday. Though I do not partake of the perilous Mutsu mountain drinks (read: moonshine), I wouldn't mind helping Date-dono keep your hitoe out of the mud as we went a-partying. While I've done the early kuge thing, I find that Momoyama glam works quite well for field wear. I got through a muddy Estrella without ruining anything. Well, the tabi got a bit tragic and probably need another good scrubbing.... But yeah. I have fond memories of two visits to YK when I was still living back east and none of us "knew" each other. Pennsic 27 I came over with Countess Eva and a bunch of children from our camp to abuse your taiko drums. Pennsic 28, my now-ex's squire and a friend heard the drums and I said "I bet I can get us in." So I led them down the road until we got across from your camp gate and the three of us (me in Europeans) sat in seiza watching and listening until somebody noticed and invited us in. For the life of me, I cannot remember now who I met either time, but the welcome was warm. ;-> The fabric question becomes most pertinent when I need to make military wear. When I go to Ice Dragon in March, I will be in the military mode and will dress accordingly. The problem I am running into is that paintings of samurai (that I have found) show mostly battle-wear and not the more casual clothing. Textile examples from the Heian jidai seem to be scarce and mostly from the kuge class. I like Date-dono's work, but I am afraid that the 200 years between our personas might be too great for me to use his resources as references for my clothing. Hmmm, don't actually know, but will take a look through the pile and see if I find any clues for you. But as you say, it's a lot of battle scenes from "Heike." And many of the extant textiles for that period are temple donations and the like. M. |
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