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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Mar 9, 2005 0:06:01 GMT -5
Another piece from the Mutsu Waki as translated in the Legends of the Samurai by Hiroaki Sato.
Necklaces? The Japanese wore necklaces? Native manufacture and design? Chinese imports?
Anybody with more information?
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Mar 9, 2005 0:53:48 GMT -5
Another piece from the Mutsu Waki as translated in the Legends of the Samurai by Hiroaki Sato. Necklaces? The Japanese wore necklaces? Native manufacture and design? Chinese imports? Anybody with more information? What's the date of said legend? There are pre-Heian costumes at the Kyoto Costume Museum in which female figures wear necklaces, specifically these: Himiko, Queen of Wa [Ancient Priestess] # A Woman Wearing Kinu (jacket) and Mo (pleated skirt) # Ancient Prietess Wearing a Sash www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/fukusei/index.htmOther than that, beats me. M.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Mar 9, 2005 0:58:36 GMT -5
This is Heike War stuff - late 12th century.
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Post by AJBryant on Mar 9, 2005 2:16:44 GMT -5
SOmething sounds very odd... Very, very, odd. I'd have to see the source material on that, but I rather think there's a translation goof there.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Mar 9, 2005 11:48:40 GMT -5
This is Heike War stuff - late 12th century. "Wrong war at the wrong time."
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Post by Saiaiko on Mar 9, 2005 14:07:25 GMT -5
As far as I understand, necklaces seem to be a vestige of Korean influence. Haniwa figures are found with indications of necklaces. Their popularity seem to wane toward the end of the Heian era. Gold and jade? Perhaps something like this? (circa 5th ct) www.mediajoy.com/chikatsu/2003spr/a_e.html
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Post by Abe Akirakeiko on Mar 28, 2005 11:36:15 GMT -5
ooh, shiny... *drool* I do wear several necklaces with my Kofun garb: one with homemade soapstone magatama and red jasper beads, one with chunky amber pieces, one with shell beads and little bells, and whatever else I have on hand that I feel like wearing. I don't necessarily have documentation for everything-- it just "feels right" to me.
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Post by chiaki on May 17, 2005 15:49:10 GMT -5
What about jewlery in general? I was just pondering this the other day. I can't think of very many cultures that didn't wear (little to none) jelwery. I don't recall ever seeing any jewlery, with maybe the exception of hair combs, but that's pushing "period" right?
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on May 17, 2005 19:46:31 GMT -5
Think so. The big hair with all the doodads in it is an Edo period thing. The only woman with her hair up at the Kyoto Costume Museum in the Kamakura to Momoyama section is a courtesan and I don't see any hair ornaments.
In the Heian section, there are some headdresses that go with some of the dance costumes, but the only necklaces are in the pre-Heian section as mentioned in earlier posts on this thread. (Hey, Nagamochi, there are female dancers in men's clothing in there!)
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Post by Nagamochi on May 18, 2005 1:37:29 GMT -5
Wait, lesbians dancing? (Bad humor, I know.) One of these days I'm gonna have to force myself to look through the Kyoto Costume Museum. Though on the topic, I'm also surprised that there's a lack of rings or pierced earrings, since I regularly use both, and occasionally in excess. One would think a ring to be a small, appropriate token gift when promoted to a new rank or position.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on May 18, 2005 8:26:40 GMT -5
www.iz2.or.jp/english/ is a must! Be sure to visit their textile gallery too. Interestingly, I attended a presentation by His Grace, Cariadoc of the Bow on medieval jewelry last night (European, Byzantine and Islamic.) Different cultures wear different ornaments at different times. For example, earrings vanish from Western Europe for a big chunk of the Middle Ages when women's ears disappear under veils, headdresses and hair - they come back during the Renaissance. For whatever reason, in Japan, it's All About The Textiles (TM). If you read the literature of the Heian period, the appropriate gift would be robes. In fact, a sign of Imperial favor is for a lady to receive permission to wear "forbidden colors." (Colors that would normally be reserved to the Empress alone.) A smaller token might be quality paper. M.
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