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Post by Ujimoto on Apr 4, 2005 2:29:17 GMT -5
Greets. I was wondering af anyone could tell me a little about the construction of the Ho in it's many variants One shown here (The outer robe): www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/wayou/3.htmAnother: www.sengokudaimyo.com/garb/graphics/garbphotos/hofront1L.jpgwww.sengokudaimyo.com/garb/graphics/garbphotos/hoback1L.jpgI was specifically wondering about the pocket in the back. How is it constructed? My best guess would lead me to believe you can cut the length of the back piece longer then the front. When you bring the bottom hem together, you get excess fabric in the back from which you can fold and sew the pocket. Also, could anyone tell me about the collar? It looks like it clasps at the shoulder... no problem. BUT...How would one sew that sort of hem in a close-to-peroid manner? Any help offered would be greatly appreciated ~M~
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Apr 4, 2005 5:13:51 GMT -5
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Apr 4, 2005 9:35:20 GMT -5
You need WHAT? Oh. Never mind. ;-> I was specifically wondering about the pocket in the back. How is it constructed? Bear in mind that I am not an expert in men's clothing, but I don't think that's a pocket. I think that you have a really long garment that gets hiked up over an obi, because that's what's done with women's clothing from the same period for travel purposes. www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/index.htm If you look at the woman in the bug hat, you can see a big fold in her top robe at the top of her thigh. Now, if you want to tack your fold into place with thread so that it's easier to deal with, I don't see why that wouldn't work. M.
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Apr 4, 2005 9:43:48 GMT -5
Makiwara-dono is correct in that it is not a pocket, but a tucked in fold...now, one could use it to store papers perhaps, or make a slim pocket in the hidden area if one were clever...to hold mony or flat paper...Hmm... Date
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Post by AJBryant on Apr 4, 2005 11:14:59 GMT -5
That "kariginu.jp" is a great site. I've been a great admirer of them for years. This is extremely simplified, but this should give you a better grasp of the makeup of the ho: kariginu.jp/kikata/jisaku.htmBasically, it's a folded flap that's sewn shut on the left and right side. On the hoeki no ho, it's inside (that is, it looks like a pocket): on the noushi, it's on the outside (and looks like a flap). Tony
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Apr 4, 2005 12:07:14 GMT -5
There you are Sensei! I have been wondering if you were ok! The site you gave is a goos one... Date
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Apr 4, 2005 20:29:37 GMT -5
.now, one could use it to store papers perhaps, or make a slim pocket in the hidden area if one were clever...to hold mony or flat paper. That's what the sports bra's for. M.
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Post by Hiroyuki on Apr 4, 2005 23:17:36 GMT -5
I always just thought they were to make me feel pretty... ...I mean you...women...that is...
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Post by fujiwara on Apr 5, 2005 15:32:02 GMT -5
The diagrams make visualizing the ho much easier. I'm still confused on the trapezoidal piece. How is it attached?
P.S. - Isn't wordplay fun? ;D
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Post by AJBryant on Apr 5, 2005 23:49:11 GMT -5
Damn, I just looked at their diagram again. It's a cheat diagram. Actually that piece (the hoko) isn't *attached*... in reality, it's actually PART of the back section, which is, when cut, about 20" longer than the finished size. The hoko is made by making a fold in the fabric and sewing the sides shut | | | | | / //| // | V |
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Post by Ujimoto on Apr 6, 2005 0:54:53 GMT -5
Thank you Fujiwara
I was just about to ask that question.
And... thanks to everyone who posted links to diagrams (Even cheating diagrams with seperate trapezoidal pieces)
Now... did the pocket-flap-of-doom serve any real purpose? (Other than potentially making my rear look big)
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Apr 6, 2005 0:59:42 GMT -5
Now... did the pocket-flap-of-doom serve any real purpose? (Other than potentially making my rear look big) "Honey, does this ho make my butt look big?" It's OK, really. Ever see any period art of men sitting down in these things? It's the whole "I-m important enough to wear umpteen yards of incredibly expensive fabric" thing. Makiwara
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Post by Ujimoto on Apr 6, 2005 1:05:31 GMT -5
I see...
So even though my hoko makes my butt look big... it is there to show off my expensive ho. Gotcha.
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Post by AJBryant on Apr 6, 2005 11:00:44 GMT -5
Thanks! I tried re-editing that to force spaces and it still kept cutting them out. Stupid software!!!
Interesting question. It serves to seat the ishi-no-obi (which is buried in it) in the hoeki no ho, but it basically is your functionless butt-flap for noshi. I don't think it really serves any *practical* function in any event.
Tony
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Post by fujiwara on Apr 6, 2005 12:41:57 GMT -5
Ok, just so I understand what's going on...the flap gets folded up, the corners get tucked in to make the trapzoidal shape, then gets stitched down? And as to the hoeki/noushi difference, the noushi flap is left out to flop around, and the hoeki flap is on the inside of the garment? Don't feel bad, Tony...there's not enough good ASCII art out there anyway. Sometime the simple things work best.
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