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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 22, 2005 10:49:33 GMT -5
Y'know, this list is predominantly populated by males. Surely one of them can tell you.... M. There are women on the internet? Real women? Not men pretending to be women? ;D
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Jun 22, 2005 11:32:54 GMT -5
I can do it without assistance in women's hakama (that tie on the side!!!), kosode, floor length-plus-a-foot hitoe and uchiki with the really BIG sleeves (banging my elbows on the stall walls as I reassemble everything). Your "plumbing" is a lot easier to deal with. So there, nyah. My big problems are the freaking ties, and the loose legs, Without tucking my hakama into my socks it is a pain to hang onto everything... I am loath to let anything touch the ickky floor.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Jun 22, 2005 11:42:33 GMT -5
I can do it without assistance in women's hakama (that tie on the side!!!), kosode, floor length-plus-a-foot hitoe and uchiki with the really BIG sleeves (banging my elbows on the stall walls as I reassemble everything). Your "plumbing" is a lot easier to deal with. So there, nyah. My big problems are the freaking ties, and the loose legs, Without tucking my hakama into my socks it is a pain to hang onto everything... I am loath to let anything touch the ickky floor. Dave Lowry once wrote that in his koryu training, he was required to completly remove one leg (both?) from his trousers before squating so as to be prepared for any attack. Forgive my directness, but at events, I go #2 in the morning, before I put on hakama.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 22, 2005 18:43:29 GMT -5
(Sniff. Pout. Restrain urge to smack him upside the head with fan.)
M.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 22, 2005 19:15:54 GMT -5
Geez, Takeda-dono, and people are questioning MY gender. ;-> Come on, guys. Are we to believe our Japanese forebears are so disciplined they ignored bodily functions? Or were all as lucky as Otagiri-dono in having convenient circadian rhythms? Hah. A clue! From "Underneath It All" at www.sengokudaimyo.com/katchu/katchu.htmlEffing-sensei says of hakama: "Note that the crotch is almost — but not quite — halfway down the hakama. The side slit is on almost the same level. Keep these distances in mind if you alter the proportions of the pattern. Many real hakama for armour wear were made crotchless (or, rather, with overlapping crotch panels) to make them more convenient." I think we can assume what is meant by "convenient." Further along, he describes how to put them on - front tie tied in back first, back tie tied in front last and pulled up over the knot formed by the front tie. (Ah, so THAT's what makes that pouf in the back of hakama! Kewl!) OK, so we have a baggy garment that is open on the sides nearly to the knee and ties which are meant to be tied in a particular order. Anybody remember those old fashioned union suits with the buttoned "trap door?" I'm thinkin' you could undo the knot and holding a tie in each hand, drop the back. Practical? Impractical? Thinking Makiwara's gotten into the GOOD crack this afternoon? M.
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Post by Please Delete on Jun 22, 2005 19:29:56 GMT -5
Well, if I had time to type a word in edgewise, I would have described exactly that.
I usually go ahead and tie the back hakama ties a little lower around my knees. Probably would be better to tie them just around a single leg if I were really paranoid about someone trying to get me.
The fundoshi can be a problem, sort of. If done right, it seems that it 'opens' fairly easily.
This is something I actually figured out doing budo quite a while ago (thank goodness I wasn't part of a school that makes you tie the back first--I'm sure that is just to be difficult).
-Ii
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 22, 2005 20:05:50 GMT -5
Sorry, honored Friend. I don't know if it's that full moon or what. We had underwear questions here yesterday and I went to last night's province meeting to find out that Tangwystl's this month's A&S guest and she does a presentation on whether or not medieval women wore underpants! ;->
M.
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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 22, 2005 22:41:36 GMT -5
Sorry, honored Friend. I don't know if it's that full moon or what. We had underwear questions here yesterday and I went to last night's province meeting to find out that Tangwystl's this month's A&S guest and she does a presentation on whether or not medieval women wore underpants! ;-> M. What area are you in? That is an A&S I could research. ;D And appologies for the "Women on the internet" comment I have only recently began to find geek women. I am now actively seeking them but they have learned to hide.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 22, 2005 23:12:17 GMT -5
Province of the Mists, West Kingdom (Oakland, CA). Ah, another entry for the Olympic Gutter Luge Trials. BOYS! If you're seriously interested in medieval undergarments in Western Europe, start here. www.florilegium.org/files/CLOTHING/underwear-msg.htmlBasically, most of the lack of pictorial evidence has to do with artistic interest in unclothed females. If "underpants" (braies, loincloths, whatever you want to call them, are depicted, it's usually scenes of wives battling their husbands quite literally over a pair of pants. Well, geez, if you're going to call 'em geeks, you deserve to have them hide from you. M.
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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 23, 2005 12:27:10 GMT -5
Well, geez, if you're going to call 'em geeks, you deserve to have them hide from you. M. hehe. Ok, women of the technical persuasion. The few I know call themselves geeks. And women have been running from me long before I called anyone a geek. "You're so sweet, you make a really good friend." Anyway, thank you all for the advice and sites and information. I should have my first set of garb in no time. I'll offer pictures once I get it going.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 23, 2005 19:35:08 GMT -5
Eep! That's like answering "Yes" when a woman asks you if these pants make her butt look fat.
If a lady refers to herself in a self deprecating fashion (in this case, a geek), that's one thing. If you do it, you may conceivably be offering insult, even if you don't mean it that way. (That I am capable of thinking this way adds ammunition to my roommate's contention that I am a guy in a REALLY ingenious disguise. That and the fact that I can be in and out of the shower and dressed before he's done spitting mouthwash all over the mirror.)
Try laying something like "technogoddess" on her instead. ;->
The phrase "good listener" STILL makes me want to give somebody a good shaking.
Best of luck.
M.
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Post by Nagamochi on Jun 24, 2005 0:59:21 GMT -5
HEY! *delivers Elecwolf senseless beating about head with sensu!*
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 24, 2005 8:10:31 GMT -5
Forgive my Little Sister. She IS a man, baby. ;D
M.
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Post by Nagamochi on Jun 25, 2005 0:01:37 GMT -5
Pardon me, where are my manners!
*returns to demure flirting from behind sensu*
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