Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 20, 2005 17:49:24 GMT -5
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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 20, 2005 18:33:01 GMT -5
Well... That's the pictures I was looking at...
Is the kesa the square, contrasting piece over the top of the robes, or is it the next layer down and forming the robes themselves...
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 20, 2005 19:44:12 GMT -5
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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 20, 2005 20:47:44 GMT -5
Ah. I understand much better now. Yes, this will look very cool being made out of many colors and textures of material. Now the actual robe itself is the next hurdle... Not quite a kimono not quite a kosode... Thank you very very much.
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 21, 2005 0:22:12 GMT -5
Which did you have in mind? Perhaps we can help you trouble-shoot the construction.
M.
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Post by Please Delete on Jun 21, 2005 5:57:54 GMT -5
For the actual robe, you are probably looking for a koromo. Matsuyama Mokurai had a great koromo. Nice, shear... it was great. I'm not sure if there are any good pictures of him in it out there. I believe that the 'koromo' (which actually just means 'clothes') for the monk may more specifically be called a 'doufuku' ('Clothing of the Way'). See here: www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/wayou/31.htm www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/wayou/32.htm - This one is great. Look at how you can see right through it! www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/12.htm - The koromo is actually under the 'ami-e' robe in this one. One of the interesting things on this is the pleats around the waist, in many cases. I have a modern example. We'll try to get pictures for you. -Ii
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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 21, 2005 18:00:52 GMT -5
The robe I would love is unfortunatly probably Edo in use...
I also noticed, in at least the last picture, he is holding the beads in the wrong hand...
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Post by Please Delete on Jun 21, 2005 18:28:38 GMT -5
Wrong hand? Please elaborate.
-Ii
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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 21, 2005 21:29:58 GMT -5
All that I have read on the beads indicate that they are held in the left hand. He is holding them in the right.
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Post by Please Delete on Jun 22, 2005 5:38:52 GMT -5
Two thoughts on the beads. 1) Different sects or denominations may have different traditions. 2) Probably not everyone who had juzu knew or followed the traditions. 3) So you are saying that left is right and right is wrong, so because he is right he is wrong, but if he weren't right he wouldn't be wrong, right? -Ii
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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 22, 2005 10:47:28 GMT -5
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Post by mikaiyawa on Jun 29, 2005 20:14:45 GMT -5
or someone wasn't carefull with picture orientation and flip flopped it.
Mieka
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Jul 12, 2005 7:10:12 GMT -5
No...the orientation of the picture is correct because the folds of the clothing are lapping on the correct side... (unless he is dead...which would be quite scarry!) Date
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Post by Please Delete on Jul 13, 2005 22:25:59 GMT -5
Could be that he is just starting his count? He would have to move it over to his other hand to start counting them out into the other, wouldn't he?
-Ii
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