Toastygawa
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Post by Toastygawa on Sept 21, 2005 11:06:04 GMT -5
Lookit me! I'm a Sohei! OK, so maybe I'm not so hei. But hei, I'm workin on it... So, hei... anyone know how to make the kato no kesa worn by the warrior monks? www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/wayou/32.htmI'd like to know how to make one, and if one can be made to fit over a simple helmet without fitting awkwardly. Got words? Got patterns? I'll appreciate all help you can offer. Feel free to berate me for putting toilet paper on my head.
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Sept 21, 2005 11:11:52 GMT -5
Definitely a unique plea for help assistance.
I have been trying to determine the exact nature of how the kato no kesa are put together, I'll post when I figure it out. I have not been able to find a picture of one laid out flat and of decent quality to see the construction.
-Takeda
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 21, 2005 19:07:51 GMT -5
Looky, it's a practitioner of the Art of Toasty-gami. Looks an awful lot to me like a big square or rectangle of fabric draped over the head, secured with a hachimaki, and wrapped around to cover the face. So, I dug in the scrap fabric bag and decided to test my theory. See what you think. (Yes, that IS a sock standing in as a hachimaki.) I think a bathtowel sized piece of fabric would be plenty if you're bareheaded, maybe a bit bigger if it's hiding a helmet. Plus whatever you need for the hachimaki bit. Took all of a minute to drape and tie it - as well as shoot pics in the bathroom mirror. Still not a ninja, Saionji
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Post by Please Delete on Sept 21, 2005 19:51:01 GMT -5
We tried something similar to this.. only using just one piece. We draped it over the head and used one side as the 'hachimaki' and the other as the veil.
-Ii
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Post by Noriko on Sept 21, 2005 22:56:38 GMT -5
Still not a ninja, Saionji Actually, I found a website a while back that shows how to make ninja headgear using a plain old t-shirt. Not period by a long shot, but, heh, I'll link it anyway. By following these simple instructions, you too, can have ninja garb. (: homepage.ntlworld.com/philbooth/How_To_Be_A_Ninja.jpg
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 22, 2005 0:54:21 GMT -5
But black is so draaaaaaaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbbbbbb! STILL not a ninja no matter what Count Thorson thinks he saw. Saionji
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Post by Toastygawa on Sept 24, 2005 4:24:23 GMT -5
Saionji-hime, I think you're very close to it, but not quite it. I get the feeling that it was similar to a bandana-style tie with elongated ends (and an overly large 'top') The hachimaki part only showed on the brow, with the upper corners of the head overlapping and hanging down (giving an ear-like effect). I will try my hand at constructing this with some spare fabric and posting the subsequent pics tomorrow, when I am conscious. It's been quite a long day!
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Post by mrcunningham on Aug 9, 2006 23:27:41 GMT -5
Surprise, surprise, Makiwara was right! (OK, not actually a surprise.) Here's my last-minute-when-I-should-be-packing-for-Pennsic attempt: Undone: Worn: So here's the relevant how-to. - Take one ugly, however safe, bascinet, spray-paint it white (except for the top half of the grill), several coats. - Cut two strips of white linen, the first 50" by 26", the second 50" by 6". Yes, this means Makiwara's estimate of "about the size of a bath towel" is dead on. - Do a dry run on your helmet, preferably in front of a mirror. - Attach the larger sheet to the helmet so that about a third is on the left (as you wear it). In my case, I used white zip-ties. Not pretty, but impossible to see unless you're up close, secure, and easy to remove if the marshals bounce it for some reason. This also allows me to access the ties at the back of my helm for tightening my chin strap. - Attach the skinny strip (hachimaki?) in the middle, just above the brow. Only attach it in the middle, so you can tie it. If you can find a way to make this permanent, and workable, go for it. - Don helmet. - Tie hachimaki. - Take the end of the long half, wrap it over your face as much as you can stand, and tuck it (or tie it) into the hachimaki on the opposite side. - You are now both Buddhist AND ready to commit acts of violence. Here's hoping it passes inspection!
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Aug 10, 2006 0:04:42 GMT -5
Schweetie, would I lie to you? You look great. You look way better than Toasty and that "red ninja" (Lordy, what dreadful pictures. I had a SOCK on my head for you people!) Now go forth and have a wonderful Pennsic.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Aug 10, 2006 0:33:39 GMT -5
That look's pretty sharp. Painting the helm white is a great idea! Here's hoping it holds up on the field! Ryokai-dono's shikoro was ripped off during a 2H weapon tourney in June.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Aug 20, 2006 14:56:26 GMT -5
So, how did your kato no kesa hold up under field conditions?
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Post by mrcunningham on Aug 20, 2006 15:53:36 GMT -5
The kato no kesa held up extremely well. My head felt about 5 degrees cooler, with no loss of visibility. The cloth has some tape marks and such, but altogether it held on well. I need to secure it to my helm a little better, but only a little, and it's just a matter of punching some holes and zip-tieing it on. I'd love to hear, from anyone who saw, if it looked decent or not.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Aug 30, 2006 15:46:33 GMT -5
The kato no kesa held up extremely well. ... I'd love to hear, from anyone who saw, if it looked decent or not. I thought I had a picture of this, but its not on my film. I thought you looked great on the field. I was able to pick you out of the crowd several times and each time I did, the kato no kesa looked in place and 'looked right.' Good job! ursus.smugmug.com/gallery/1834423/17PS. From what material and what thickness is your dou constructed and do you know why some of the plates broke? Edit: I might have a guess, now ... ;D ursus.smugmug.com/gallery/1834423/15
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Aug 30, 2006 19:14:35 GMT -5
I saw you out on the field several times, and thought your kato no kesa rig looked great...I looked thru my pics, but don't see you in any of them to share...gomen... But you did look great! I like the idea! Date
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Post by Torayoshi on Aug 30, 2006 23:01:45 GMT -5
Even though we only spoke briefly I liked the way it looked a lot , as I said I wore one many years ago for the same reasons ... and your right it is much cooler .. I wonder sometimes why I started wearing a BLACK kabuto.
Torashi
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