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Post by Inoue Tsukiko on Oct 24, 2005 18:52:31 GMT -5
Thank you for the warning. I know where you're coming from. I'm trying to understand the people of the time too. Not to confuse their ideas and attitudes with my modern ones. I've always remembered being told to remember what was written 100, 1,000, 3,000 years ago, wasn't written for me. It was written for their contemporaries. People with the same thoughts and experiences. The other part of that is... I don't know, maybe something about people being human, I guess. As if fifty years down the road our thoughts and ideas will still be modern and fresh and new, but we believe they will be. Some things still carry from one generation to the next, all too true, but from the same reasonings? Ah I should quit now. I'm musing  Musing gets me in trouble as it leads to rambling and ramblings and me tend to get very disjointed. |
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Saionji Shonagon
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One dreamed of becoming somebody. Another remained awake and became. (Found in a fortune cookie.)
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 24, 2005 19:14:03 GMT -5
Keep reading and digesting. Go back to things. I find that the lightbulb goes on more and more often. Writing poetry in persona and parodying Sei Shonagon have been, for me, at least, excellent exercises in trying to find my way into the mindset of another time and place.
Right now I'm working my way through Royall Tyler's "Japanese Tales" - and finding it very difficult to find things I can tell at a bardic circle because the narrative structures of some aren't what modern audiences are used to, some of them are gross jokes that aren't going to strike Westerners as funny. Or they have morals that absolutely will not make sense to the audience. Looks like I'm sticking with restless ghosts for now. Those WILL work.
S.
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Post by Abe Akirakeiko on Oct 31, 2005 23:19:33 GMT -5
Right now I'm working my way through Royall Tyler's "Japanese Tales" - and finding it very difficult to find things I can tell at a bardic circle because the narrative structures of some aren't what modern audiences are used to, some of them are gross jokes that aren't going to strike Westerners as funny. S. Ii-dono has gotten a LOT of mileage out of the "salt fish, pickled plums and sour wine" one. (Don't have the book handy and it's late, but I'll have to find the page number.) It even makes me cringe, and I luuurves me some dirty jokes. -Kotori |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Nov 1, 2005 1:06:21 GMT -5
That one needs the right audience. It smacks of the pie eating contest in "Stand By Me." ;->
And then there's the one where the indignant wife returns to her husband everything he's ever given her. Two buckets full.
Saionji no Ewwwwwwwwww
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Post by Solveig Throndardottir on Nov 7, 2005 20:30:28 GMT -5
Noble Cousins!
Greetings from Solveig! In case anyone is interested, I ran across a book on historical Chinese sexuality today. It is in Chinese which may make it less useful for most people here. It does have some illustrations in it including sex with pigs and either a homosexual or a woman dressed as a man. I do not read Chinese, I can only spot words. The book does rather mysteriously have a detailed English table of contents. So if you are interested in Chinese marriage laws immediately preceding the T'ang dynasty, this is the book for you. Regardless, if you are interested in kinky Chinese sex or Indian influences on premodern Chinese sex practices (there are illustrations of this as well), then this is the book for you.
Your Humble Servant
Solveig Throndardottir
Amateur Scholar
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Musing gets me in trouble as it leads to rambling and ramblings and me tend to get very disjointed.