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Post by OgamiBusho on Oct 6, 2005 12:26:12 GMT -5
Camping is being homeless without the social stigma.
I'm afraid I have a different philosophy when it comes to camping. If I go anywhere for more than three days I'm not camping, I've moved. I carry all my crap (and a lot of stuff for the Clan) in a 6X12 covered trailer and a fully-loaded minivan.
Saiaiko's buke yashiki is my idea of minimalist camping. She doesn't bring a bed frame or a propane heater.
But I can recommend boxes to hide your mundane stuff. Saiaiko and I made a couple of kirabitsu. She made a large one for her cooler (complete with a drain hole) that's just fabulous.
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Post by nissanmaxima on Oct 6, 2005 12:32:27 GMT -5
I agree with Ogami. I bring a kitchen and a cook, a bar, bartender and cocktail waitresses.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 6, 2005 13:46:33 GMT -5
Yes, well, but you're a daimyou! You have to travel with an entourage and all the crap that goes with. For the non DIY'ers, IKEA link * If the ungodly long URL doesn't work, go to ikea.com, select "Small Storage" and look for a box with the name "Kartotek." The larger of the two is only $19.99 and I popped off the cheesy carry handles and replaced them with rope, slapped some stain on and have a very nice little camp box that's sturdy enough to sit on. For the record, I let "Jehanne" do the actual camping. ;D Saionji no Hanae * moderator edit of the ungodly long URL
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 6, 2005 13:53:34 GMT -5
Bless you. O Technically Savvy One! If you teach me how, I will endeavor not to continue to make more work for you.
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Post by solveig on Nov 8, 2005 18:39:46 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! Last post to gather the needed information. Does anyone know offhand what was carried with a soldier to camp with in japan? On the idea of trying to cut down on things to take with me to SCA events, I've started trying to figure this out. Was it just a bedroll taken with? Bedroll? The ashigari did not need any stinking bed roll! They just curled up with their armour and their rations under a convenient tate. Your Humble Servant Solveig Throndardottir Amateur Scholar
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Nov 8, 2005 19:30:39 GMT -5
...The ashigaru did not need any stinking bed roll! They just curled up with their armor and their rations under a convenient tate. Which of course led to the exciting pastime of using your jingasa as a Frisbee to take out the leg of the tate and send it onto your sleeping camp-mates head.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Nov 8, 2005 20:19:25 GMT -5
This sounds somewhat like the knock-over-the-byobu while fending off unwanted advances from an evening visitor gambit. Were we perhaps separated at birth? S.
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Post by Saiaiko on Nov 30, 2005 18:45:37 GMT -5
Ogami-busho just got a new book, in Japanese, entitled "The Encyclopedia of Japanese Arms and Equipment." This is an ashigaru field tent. It looks like bamboo poles lashed together covered with cloth and then straw (possibly raincoats). We can't read Japanese, so we don't know if it's period or not, but it looks like the sort of thing that might have been used.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Nov 30, 2005 19:52:15 GMT -5
Hey, look! It's a bivy! Kinda. S.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Dec 1, 2005 3:21:22 GMT -5
竹を曲ばて組と し'トに油紙や逹 を重ねて甫?を防 いだ天?代りの少 人?の屯ろする? 山?の??りに ていり
I'll try to fill in the ? later. Or maybe someone who can actually read this will fill in.
Bamboo poles with repeated layers of oilpaper and 'hanging straw curtains'?
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Post by Saiaiko on Dec 1, 2005 3:30:12 GMT -5
Hmmm, oilpaper would certainly make sense, but was that an item that was normally carried and possessed by the average footsoldier?
Side note: I'm thinking of making my retainer sleep in one of these outside of my yashiki next Pennsic? Gosh, I love the feudal life!
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Dec 1, 2005 9:38:36 GMT -5
"Shelter halves" are at least as old as the American Civil War - maybe older. (I only know this because Jehanne bought a wedge tent from a Civil War sutler). Anyway, each soldier was issued a piece of canvas about 5.5' square, buddied up with a partner and the two halves buttoned together to form a small pup tent. The canvas could easily be incorporated into a blanket roll for carrying. A quick zip through Google even indicates that later shelter half designs incorporated army ponchos, so the rain cape theory for these Japanese bivies isn't insane either.
I should think that oiled paper would be lighter and even more compact.
Jingasa frisbee, anyone?
Saionji
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Post by Please Delete on Dec 1, 2005 9:52:58 GMT -5
Here's my take on it:
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Take wo magete honegumi toshi, ue ni aburagami ya mushiro wo kasanete amakaze wo fuseida tenmaku kawari no shoujinsuu no tamuro suru tokoro sanka no seburi (??) ni niteiru.
Bend the bamboo and make a skeleton, and on top, layer on oil paper and straw mats, and it protects against driving rain in place of a tent. A camp of a few people looks like a 'seburi' (group? shelter?) of mountain nomads.
Hmmm... not happy with the translation, but I think it makes the point about how it is made. I'm guessing you'd have to do it with green bamboo, although I'm wondering if PVC couldn't be used to make a test--if the poles are covered and/or painted properly, you could do a layer of oil paper, and possibly a layer of thin tent material, and then the straw mats.
I don't know that I would want to camp in it all Pennsic, but it would make a neat display. Any more info on the book? ISBN, publisher, etc.?
-Ii
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Post by OgamiBusho on Dec 1, 2005 16:34:51 GMT -5
The title is "The Encyclopedia of Japanese Arms and Equipment". The author is Yoshihiko Sasama. The ISBN jnumber is 4-7601-2533-7 C1521. The publisher's name is in Japanese.
Personally, I would have put some kind of a door on the thing. Something to keep out the dew and the rain and to keep in the heat when it was cold. And I would have 'requisitioned' a tate or two to keep me off the ground.
Any infantryman will tell you that that happiness means having a warm and dry place to sleep, being well fed and recently laid, being slightly drunk on someone else's booze, and having no one actively trying to kill you. I doubt that a rank-and-file samurai with a yari was any different.
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Post by Please Delete on Dec 1, 2005 17:05:05 GMT -5
I'd like to see other examples, but my immediate thoughts would be too look at similar Native American designs--the Powhatan people along the James River, for instance, had a very similar structure--it was larger and more permanent, but very similar in concept (straw or rush matting over top of a lashed, bent frame). By throwing a few straw mats over the entrance you could probably make yourself a door--or grab a couple of tate and put them up in front.
Just a few thoughts.
-Ii
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