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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Apr 17, 2007 20:00:57 GMT -5
I have four kanji posted on my cube wall 刀 (sword) 槍 (spear) 弓 (bow) 馬 (horse) While searching on Marishiten, last night, I pulled up this image, purportedly based on a Muromachi illustration. Notice what's in her hands: sword, spear, bow. And while she's not exactly riding a horse (its a boar), she is riding. In addition, she holds a war fan - perhaps as a sign of strategy/leadership. The very embodiment (em-spirit-ment?) of the samurai skillset. www.hkartclub.com/painting/painting312.html
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Post by Nitta Kaneyoshi on Apr 18, 2007 10:47:58 GMT -5
Is it just me, or is the bow, the drawing method, the arrow-head, of Chinese design. The armour especially strikes me as not of native origin but rather as Chinese mountain scale(described here: www.armourarchive.org/essays/Shanwenkia.pdf) I don't necessarily mean to challenge the authenticity of this illustration. As one who always(well, almost always) eager to learn, I would just would like to know if these odd details say anything about inter-culture relations at the time or the artist, etc.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Apr 18, 2007 12:26:39 GMT -5
Hint: Buddhism is not native to Japan.
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Post by Nitta Kaneyoshi on Apr 18, 2007 16:21:48 GMT -5
A-ha, though I already knew Buddhism is not native to Japan, your hint directed me to clarify what I knew. As I started to write my response I kept referring back to Wikipedia for checking details.
I couldn't understand why the figure was shown with mainly Chinese armour and accoutrements instead of the religions place of origin or even the image's production.
I thought Buddhism was focused in China but was pretty sure it stared somewhere farther northeast-ish. Turns out that while Buddhism did start in what is modern-day Nepal, it was divided into a few major groupings, one of them being East Asian Buddhism. From previous readings I remember that Buddhism in East Asia seems to be focused in China. So that explains why mainly Chinese things are found in that image.
BTW The word you were looking for here: is 'incarnation' (not reincarnation mind you, but 'incarnation')
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Apr 18, 2007 19:21:52 GMT -5
Yup. Japanese Buddhism comes with a lot of Chinese accoutrement. BTW The word you were looking for here: is 'incarnation' (not reincarnation mind you, but 'incarnation') Incarnation and Embodiment both imply something taking physical form. The word I'm looking for in the made-up word "em-spirit-ment" would indicate some set of thoughts or memes congealing into a spiritual being - in this case the samurai ideals congealing into a goddess.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Apr 19, 2007 0:24:19 GMT -5
Incarnation and Embodiment both imply something taking physical form. The word I'm looking for in the made-up word "em-spirit-ment" would indicate some set of thoughts or memes congealing into a spiritual being - in this case the samurai ideals congealing into a goddess. Well, there's always "allegory." "Apotheosis," maybe? Or "reification"? dictionary.reference.com/browse/apotheosisdictionary.reference.com/browse/reification(Why yes, I told Dad I'd like him to leave me his OED.)
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Jan 27, 2008 2:05:26 GMT -5
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