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Post by Katayama Hiromoto on Sept 22, 2007 16:24:52 GMT -5
Konban-wa,
Okay... So the adventure into combat archery begins... with questions regarding ebira.
1) Typically how tall were period ebira? Any suggestions how tall to make a combat ebira?!?
2) In period, what was the "basket" made from? For those who have made a combat ebira, what did you make the "basket" out of?!?
3) How is the bloody thing worn? Cords over the shoulder and around the waist (similar to waidate)?!?
Thank you in advance.
Katayama
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Post by seven7 on Sept 23, 2007 1:26:55 GMT -5
Umm, for those of us uneducated (namely me), what exactly is an ebira? A pic and/or simple explination will do. Nothing fancy, nothing fancy. ;D
-Seven7-
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Post by dianet on Sept 23, 2007 8:40:04 GMT -5
An Ebira is the arrow Quiver
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Post by roninpenguin on Sept 23, 2007 14:44:40 GMT -5
There used to be a great "how to" out there and I thought that it was on either at clan Yama Kaminari ( www.yamakaminari.com/) or at Date Saburou Yukiie's website Kabuto Graphics ( www.kabutographics.com/) but now I can't seem to find it. If anyone out there knows what happened to it I would love to know as well. Thanks!
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Sept 23, 2007 15:21:40 GMT -5
I will see if I can put the pages up again soon on my site - My website was totally wrecked a while back at the server level, and putting it back together has been time consuming...gomen. I do indeed have some how too's and ebira information pages...just lemme find em, fix em, and post em...
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Post by seven7 on Sept 25, 2007 3:45:32 GMT -5
An Ebira is the arrow Quiver Ohh. Now i want to know too. ;D -Seven7-
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Post by Katayama Hiromoto on Oct 21, 2007 14:36:42 GMT -5
Konban-wa, So after milliseconds of research and a couple hours of work in the shop-submitted for the Board's approval/critique: As always, all comments, questions, other forms of insight are greatly appreciated. Katayama
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 21, 2007 16:26:49 GMT -5
Wish that photo was a little less murky. It's very hard to see detail. I'm no expert, but it looks ebira-like. Do you have the cord stretched over the top of the basket to slot the arrows through?
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Post by Katayama Hiromoto on Oct 21, 2007 18:28:21 GMT -5
I'm no expert, but it looks ebira-like. Do you have the cord stretched over the top of the basket to slot the arrows through? Hime, Nope. No stretched cord. No elastic. No Velcro. No nada over the top of the basket. Just good, old fashioned gravity holding that arrow in place. Katayama
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 21, 2007 19:21:12 GMT -5
Pooh, he hasn't fixed his web page yet. I am almost positive I remember the ones that Date-dono made having some sort of bars or perhaps a woven piece to slot the arrows into.....
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Oct 21, 2007 21:08:25 GMT -5
Pooh, he hasn't fixed his web page yet. I am almost positive I remember the ones that Date-dono made having some sort of bars or perhaps a woven piece to slot the arrows into..... Yeah, Date-dono's are uber-cool, was looking for his pics when constructing mine. I knocked this out a couple of weeks ago so I had something to hold by ya when in procession. It took about 6 hours in total, and works fairly well. The "box" frame was made of pine and split bamboo was used to construct the tall upright and cross-bars. While not as fancy as Date-dono's, I have seen some that are remarkably simple, though how I did the "chair-arms" are a cob job, but I was pressed for time and it seemed to work. The "chair" frame was covered with leather and not sided with wood or cane to keep the weight down, if I make another in the future, I will make a hard bottom to the "box" since the heads of the arrows are resting only on leather. Here are a couple of pics. I tried to show the inside seperators that secure the heads. I do not see this kind of slot frame being highly practical in an ebira for SCA combat ya, the heads are simply too bulky and they would tend to snag and make drawing difficult, unless you had a spereate walled chamber for each head, sort of like civil war era cartridge boxes. -Takeda
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Post by thecrocman on Oct 31, 2007 22:32:00 GMT -5
looks realy good
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Post by dannyinjapan on Nov 18, 2007 5:05:34 GMT -5
For the top of the box, you could use a sushi roller. Do you know what I mean? It is a little mat made of thin slivers of bamboo tied together. You could also use strips of leather. I did see an iron grate-type cover used on some ebira in the museum at Katori Jingu, but I think it was an edo-period piece if that matters..
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Post by stevebrand on May 15, 2008 16:11:55 GMT -5
Pardon my belated entry into this topic (and finding of this wonderful forum) but I've also been trying to find details of ebira construction for some time. Particularly how the strips at the top are attached to the side of the "box" in a historical ebira or the solutions you came up with. Some books mention the strips of the grid were made out of either thin rattan, bamboo or hide. Many thanks for any information you might share.
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on May 21, 2008 10:49:47 GMT -5
...how the strips at the top are attached to the side of the box in a historical ebira or the solutions you came up with. What I did on mine was shave part of the box so the bamboo of the uprights had room to be glued on. To reinforce this the pine and bamboo were wrapped with "cane" (cane in this case being artifical sinew painted with Tamiya tan lacquer) It is realy a cob job, but it is quite functional and sturdy... Part of me thinks the originals were not much more complex... Basically wood & rattan sectioned and glued together and reinforced with cane... Unless you put a ton of metal in it, were not talking about something overly durable, it essentially a expendable piece of equipment, and I am sure they trying to keep the weight down. (A light weight ebira is going to be easier to secure into a position than a heavy one that will flop around during a charge) I made mine out of bamboo... I simply took sections out of a piece and shaved them down so they were thin enough to be springy... avoid any piece with a node. To attach them, I simply cut a piece of wood the same size as part of the top of the box, sliced dadoes in it with an x-acto saw, and glued it under the top of the sides of the box, then slipped the slats in from the side. In the first and third picture, you can see the unfinished wood piece they are slotted into (the piece over it that it is glued to is painted black) Might not be the way they did it, but certainly plausable and follows other methods of japanese woodworking. -Takeda
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