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Post by Noriko on Jun 6, 2008 21:47:18 GMT -5
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 6, 2008 23:34:05 GMT -5
In Kanji: "This is the smackity fan. There are many like it but this one is mine." Without me, my fan is useless. Without my fan, I am useless. I must wield my fan more skillfully than any of the other hags women in this court. I must devastate all in my path before they devastate me. My fan and I know that what counts in this dewdrop existence is not the snap of the vanes or the flash of artful paint. We know it is the illusion of fleeting beauty that counts. We will create that illusion. My fan is human, even as I am human, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a sister. I will learn its weaknesses, its strengths, its parts, its paintwork, its pivot, its balance. I will keep my fan with the care I keep myself. We will become part of each other...... (JEEZ, don't get me started like that! Ever!)
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Post by bovil on Jun 7, 2008 1:39:31 GMT -5
Without me, my fan is useless. Without my fan, I am useless... It's the Makiwara Sutra fan...
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Post by solveig on Jun 7, 2008 13:53:43 GMT -5
Noble Cousins! Greetings from Solveig! Let me tell you a little story, Norie-hime. Effingham-sensei, upon seeing this photo, commented, "The fan is wrong." There is too little detail to say much about the fan in question. My principle problem with the fan is how it is being deployed in the picture. Regardless, here is a photo of some Japanese at a theme village. There are two ways to write hiōgi 桧扇 and 檜扇. For those of you interested in historical images. Here is a picture of a 檜 (hinoki) wood 檜扇 (hiōgi) which is supposed to date from the 平安時代 Heian period. Here is a Japanese commercial replica which costs about $315.00 I don't recall whether a link to this web page has been posted before, however some of you Heian clothes horses the following link may be interesting: homepage1.nifty.com/WAKOGENJI/shouzoku/shouzoku.htmlHere is a link to web pages which purport to be histories of 扇子 (sensu): www.maisendo.co.jp/histry/index.htmlwww.kougei.or.jp/crafts/kyoto/sensu1.htmlAnd, here is a taxonomy of 扇子 (sensu): www.sensu-uchiwa.or.jp/sen/kindsensu.html
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 7, 2008 14:45:33 GMT -5
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Post by takadainotora on Jun 8, 2008 10:06:22 GMT -5
WOW! That is pretty.
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Post by solveig on Jun 8, 2008 11:23:52 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! I fear that I am totally lost. I do hope that my posting did not offend.
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Post by kurokamakiri on Jun 8, 2008 15:20:19 GMT -5
I was reading through "The Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon", and she mentions a few sorts of jewelry that they have on hand, or that she has seen used. For example, the hair pins that fall out when carts go through the gate, ..... Ootani Harukojoou I'm so glad that Ootani-hime brought this up - there are repeated references to ladies wearing hair pins, but none of the art seems to show it (except for the saishi and accoutrements which, if I understand correctly, is worn only at the New Year, and please correct me if I'm wrong) and nothing I've read describe the hair pins in any manner. What do they look like? How are they worn? By whom are they worn? When are they worn? I have very long straight hair and without some sort of A) glue or B) hairstyle, sticks and pins are NOT staying in. On one hand, ladies wear their hair down and hide behind it, and are humiliated if they're forced to show their faces in public, and on the other hand, there are these causal references to hair pins. Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 8, 2008 15:54:53 GMT -5
Not me. Honestly, I have enough to keep me occupied, with things we do have extant examples, pictorial evidence or detailed descriptions of to go chasing after wild hairpins. Is this translation-foo on the order of "tight sleeved robes" in the Whitehouse translation of Lady Nijo's diary? Are these, in fact, ornaments that are actually worn, or grooming tools? I don't know. Sorry.
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Post by solveig on Jun 8, 2008 16:48:25 GMT -5
Noble Cousins!
Greetings from Solveig! Just as a total guess, please recall that Japanese women of the Heian period are customarily shown with rather long pony tails which are tied in a sort of white paper (?) at the nape of the neck and that, if I recall correctly, a horizontal pin sometimes appears at about this point. Again, this is totally my recollection at the moment.
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Post by Please Delete on Jun 8, 2008 19:14:04 GMT -5
Just another thought to add to the possible confusion: Could it be they are referring to something other than ladies' hairpins? The kanmuri court cap for men has a pin through it that I believe is supposed to pierce the man's queue and thus help the cap stay upright (probably also keeps his hair from falling out). Ooohh... just remembered to look earlier, too: www.iz2.or.jp/fukushoku/f_disp.php?page_no=0000025That's early Heian jidai. We often forget that Heian clothing didn't change overnight and was still very similar to the Nara style for quite some time. -Ii
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 8, 2008 19:24:45 GMT -5
If you find anything, keep us posted. In the meantime, I dragged out my copy of Traditional Japanese Coiffures. (Here's a link I pulled up using the ISBN number). www.mitsumura-suiko.co.jp/isbn/ISBN4-8381-9902-3.html(Bear in mind the fact that I cannot read the Japanese text and I'm identifying things by period as best I can based on the styles I am familiar with.) There are hair ornaments in the pre-Heian (Asuka, Nara) sections - mostly long pins with flat heads in the shape of flowers, possibly enameled. Here's a Jidai Matsuri photo of the sort of thing I'm describing: i17.photobucket.com/albums/b98/kyoto_ben/chinese2.jpgThen you get into the Heian/Kamakura/Muromachi/Momoyama and it's all paper hair ribbons and unobtrusive black cord again until you get past the woman who looks like a Momoyama period asobime with her hair in a topknot. None of the Heian through Momoyama styles in the book show any sort of pins as far as I can see. Then long hair-stick type ornaments begin to show up again with the Chinese influenced styles of the mid to late 17th century.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 8, 2008 19:43:35 GMT -5
Just another thought to add to the possible confusion: Could it be they are referring to something other than ladies' hairpins? The kanmuri court cap for men has a pin through it that I believe is supposed to pierce the man's queue and thus help the cap stay upright (probably also keeps his hair from falling out). What are you doing in my carriage! Oh! My! (Reputation completely hosed. Again.)
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Post by Otani Harukojoou on Jun 8, 2008 23:22:50 GMT -5
Just another thought to add to the possible confusion: Could it be they are referring to something other than ladies' hairpins? Apparently it is combs-- I got it confused, but yes, it is womens.... Here is the quote from the book that got me thinking. "As the carriages are drawn over the ground beam of the Central Gate,there is always a tremendous bump, and the heads of the women passengers are knocked together; the combs fall out of their hair, and may be smashed to pieces if the owners are not careful. I enjoy the way everyone laughs when this happens." Maybe this is helpful? -Ootani
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Post by Ishikawa Ayame on Jul 24, 2008 16:42:13 GMT -5
I am trying to figure out how the lacing of the hiogi works... I read that there are 2 to 4 holes at the top of each fan blade and that it is knotted only at the first and last fan blade.
When I try it (with cardboard and thread so far) I can get it laced so that it looks like the pictures (using 3 holes) but I cannot close it because the thread is too tight. So I loosen the thread and I get gaps between the fan blades when I open it. Is it just my materials that are the problem and it will behave better when I poke holes in my much thinner basswood?
Anyone have hints for me on how to lace it correctly?
-Maryam (still paging through Solveig's "pamphlet" for a new name)
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