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Post by drkguy3107 on Oct 2, 2008 21:43:40 GMT -5
I haven't seen anything like that except for the tessen.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 2, 2008 22:14:02 GMT -5
As it happens, I stumbled across this while looking for information on taiko. The two mounted samurai are positioned behind a pair of tate, a sort of standing shield. It's really hard to see, but there's a man standing behind the one on the left, peeping over the top of it. EDIT: Try clicking on it without the tags. studorgs.bowdoin.edu/taiko/Emaki1.jpg
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Post by drkguy3107 on Oct 2, 2008 22:42:57 GMT -5
I don't see the picture, it just says [image]
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Post by solveig on Oct 2, 2008 23:20:29 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! I haven't seen anything like that except for the tessen. There is no reason to believe that 鉄線 tessen were used as shields in any way analogous to shields, bucklers, &c. If you go back far enough, you do encounter personal shields in some haniwa: cite: www.cgpl.org/carl/musdi/haniwa.htmlThere is also iconographic evidence for small rectangular hand shields during about the time of the Genpei war. I believe that this image has been posted to this forum at least once before. The "authority" cited on Wikipedia to support "tessenjutsu" is Secrets of the Samurai. This is a "source" which I would not trust for anything. Regardless, "tessenjutsu" does not appear in Daijirin a 2000+ oversized page J-J dictionary. In short, this "tessenjutsu" stuff appears to be "bull pucky" as a college friend on occasion called things.
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Post by calonnihonjin on Oct 3, 2008 8:27:40 GMT -5
As it happens, I stumbled across this while looking for information on taiko. The two mounted samurai are positioned behind a pair of tate, a sort of standing shield. It's really hard to see, but there's a man standing behind the one on the left, peeping over the top of it. EDIT: Try clicking on it without the tags. studorgs.bowdoin.edu/taiko/Emaki1.jpgWhile I can not see it either my limited research on the subject (japanese shields) suggests these shield were akin to the european pavise type shield...ie a shield with a 'kickstand'
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 3, 2008 8:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by spearweasel on Oct 3, 2008 9:37:29 GMT -5
Fortunately, the shield I am using this weekend has roughly the proportions of a tate, if not the size, so I'm just gonna pretend it's a tate.
And the kong mace is something that I "captured from a Mongol" and am using in the heat of the fight. ;D
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Post by drkguy3107 on Oct 3, 2008 10:25:28 GMT -5
Thanks, but are there no smaller shields in use by the japanese? Nothing kite size or viking size or buckler size?
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Post by spearweasel on Oct 3, 2008 10:59:56 GMT -5
Thanks, but are there no smaller shields in use by the japanese? Nothing kite size or viking size or buckler size? No. Nothing like that in use by anything you'd call a samurai.
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Post by Water_Tengu on Oct 3, 2008 11:33:01 GMT -5
even we shrine fighters wouldn't use such a thing.
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Post by drkguy3107 on Oct 3, 2008 12:58:44 GMT -5
Huh, why don't you think the japanese used them? Seems most other peoples did.
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Post by spearweasel on Oct 3, 2008 13:44:49 GMT -5
Huh, why don't you think the japanese used them? Seems most other peoples did. Most did, yes. The Japanese didn't use shields after a very early period in their history. They used pavise shields (tate), and the Ryukyu kingdoms had something called a Timbe. That's pretty much it. Wasn't all of this already discussed in the thread previously? If you have new sources, by all means let's see them. I'd love to have a shield as an sca samurai, but that just isn't gonna happen.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 3, 2008 13:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by solveig on Oct 3, 2008 23:23:22 GMT -5
Noble Cousins! Greetings from Solveig! Here is a picture from the web page that Makiwara hime found: You will notice that it depicts a headquarters group. Fans, drums, and conch shell trumpets were used for signaling during the Sengoku Period.
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Post by Lash on Oct 27, 2008 23:28:56 GMT -5
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