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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Dec 27, 2013 15:41:06 GMT -5
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Dec 27, 2013 17:15:09 GMT -5
Actually, the biggest thing you can do to look high ranking vs. rank and file that I can think of is this really impractical cape thingy that fills with air and billows behind you when you run. I thought those were worn by couriers on horseback. Not exactly high ranking.
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Dec 27, 2013 20:30:16 GMT -5
The Horo (balloony cloak thing) does seem to have been worn by messengers (whether this implies couriers of low rank I don't know) and "people of importance." Now those are both very vague statements that both seem to come from Turnbull, so I can't really vouch for super accuracy.
Anyway, apparently a person wearing a horo is rarer than a rank and file soldier, and it is recommended in a contemporary journal that "When taking the head of a horo warrior, wrap it in the silk of the horo. In the case of an ordinary warrior, wrap it in the silk of the sashimono." So I think that someone wearing a Horo is someone special. However, Makiwara-dono, you are correct in your thought that I can't really say that it is for a commander or inherently high ranking person. I ought to retract my previous statement.
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Post by jon on Dec 28, 2013 0:58:03 GMT -5
Ah yeah, a Horo, it would be very impractical at my LARP, no one uses bows there.
Ill definitely buy a conch shell one day, I got a war fan already for a similar purpose.
Im not entirely big on the tokins on some armours.
With the shugenja-esque part, do you have a good photo you could suggest?
Oh wow love the drawing!
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Post by solveig on Dec 28, 2013 11:59:59 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! I recommend that you peruse the armor shown in the Kamakura to Azuchi-Momoyama Period Costume Museum web page. These costumes appear to be organized somewhat chronologically. Please pay particular attention to those labeled "Warrior General" those will be for high status warriors. You may also be interested in the armor labeled "Warrior in osodetsuki-domaru armor" as it is particularly pretty. Note that since this is not for SCA use, you should wear a regulation white obi (belt).
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Dec 28, 2013 12:44:11 GMT -5
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Post by jon on Dec 28, 2013 15:28:36 GMT -5
No wonder I was getting odd results for Shugenja, they gave me some cool ideas though, even though it looks more Chinese than Japanese.
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Post by roninpenguin on Dec 30, 2013 12:39:05 GMT -5
As an aside, here is an amusing video showing the effectiveness of the Horo for protecting a retreating messengers back from arrows. youtu.be/nb1WcI9TNXwIt kind of cheesy but it does show that they could actually work fairly well.
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Post by Chukissaki on Jan 4, 2014 2:48:31 GMT -5
Looks like Big Birds O Yoroi !!! The armor pic, that is.
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Post by qba on Jan 4, 2014 15:58:43 GMT -5
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Jan 4, 2014 18:47:30 GMT -5
Looks like Big Birds O Yoroi !!! The armor pic, that is. Yeah, it totally does now that I look at it.
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Post by worldantiques on Jan 8, 2014 4:53:57 GMT -5
The Horo (balloony cloak thing) does seem to have been worn by messengers (whether this implies couriers of low rank I don't know) and "people of importance." Now those are both very vague statements that both seem to come from Turnbull, so I can't really vouch for super accuracy. Turnbull along with others got their information about the horo and other items from reading and repeating text from earlier writings, unfortunately not all books have footnotes giving credit for the information they copied which makes it very hard to verify where they got their information from. From "Tanki Yoriaku Hi Ko Ben". Written by Hayakawa Kyuukei, 1735. Translation by Matt Garbutt, 1911. (Samurai armor and equipment manual). Josiah Condor "The history of Japanese costume" Part II:armour 1881, from:Transactions of the Asiatic Society of Japan, Volumes 9-10, Asiatic Society of Japan., 1906. books.google.com/books?id=6X4uAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA254&dq=costumes+of+japan+horo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UHP2ULemO4WpqgG_k4GwBg&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Post by Please Delete on Jan 8, 2014 13:13:27 GMT -5
I've seen the bamboo frame, but they didn't start that way--I'm not sure when the bamboo frame came about and whether or not it was used in battle or just as a way to make the horo look like it was blown up (like when you are riding). Early scrolls do show it "deflated", and hanging behind like a cape (reaching to the knees, I believe, but I can't find it and my library is across the country at the moment). There are also a few pictures that show the problems with the horo--namely showing a particular warrior with the cape in front of his, having blown in front of him. It is telling that the 13th century Mongol Invasion Scroll doesn't show anyone that I could find with the horo*. I'll see what else I can find when I have access to my books this weekend. Regardless, it doesn't really seem to appear on footmen, as you would need to be running in order to to really make it work, and the frame would be quite cumbersome, particularly for anyone around you.
-Ii
*There was one in the 19th century re-draw, but that has added scenes, and I suspect this scene was added.
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Post by jon on Jan 22, 2014 15:30:19 GMT -5
So I finished the beak for the mempo today, Ill post a picture of it once I spray paint it. I have to do more coats of paint, and spray the inside but here it is. Its rather large compared to the other Tengu mempos I have seen. Attachments:
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