Saionji Shonagon
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One dreamed of becoming somebody. Another remained awake and became. (Found in a fortune cookie.)
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 1, 2014 1:05:39 GMT -5
Mobakama is a pleated wrap skirt - it ties on one side with a half bow.
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Post by Fukumitsu Noriatsu on Sept 1, 2014 1:20:04 GMT -5
5 pleats in the front, 4 in the back?
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Post by Fukumitsu Noriatsu on Sept 1, 2014 1:35:44 GMT -5
I'm thinking of Fukumitsu Noriatsu for my persona name. Does that sound right?
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Post by solveig on Sept 1, 2014 3:57:41 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! I'm thinking of Fukumitsu Noriatsu for my persona name. Does that sound right? You might want a yobina to go with the family name and nanori that you have chosen. Incidentally, Fukumitsu 福光 is a somewhat unusual family name, but it is extant during the Kamakura period.
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Post by Fukumitsu Noriatsu on Sept 1, 2014 8:13:10 GMT -5
Cousin Solveig, so it should be Fukumitsu no Jiro Noriatsu?
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 1, 2014 11:39:01 GMT -5
5 pleats in the front, 4 in the back? It's not really clear as I've yet to find anything like an extant one - if we go to the Costume Museum in October, I'll see if I can get a definitive answer. Mine is just enough wide pleats to go around my waist. (I don't really have any decent photos of me wearing the thing.) Also dead easy is www.iz2.or.jp/english/fukusyoku/busou/8.htm - I've done it simply by tucking a big piece of cloth into my obi, though you could make one with waist ties, sort of like one of those waitress aprons.
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Post by Please Delete on Sept 1, 2014 20:44:56 GMT -5
www.fashion-kyoto.or.jp/orikyo/maturi/index05.htmlThis link has a few mobakama in their "Kamakura" section, and they appear to have 8 pleats total (4 in each direction). I suspect that it evolved directly from the early mo, which seem to have had the pleats all in the same direction (before it became the big train of the Heian period). Either way you probably want it to be wide enough to overlap. That means that the cords would need to be long enough to wrap all the way around and meet again on the hip. Fukumitsu Jirou (or Jirō) Noriatsu seems to work. You don't need the "no", at least not for registration. Early on it was used, but it fell out of use later on; the problem is that they didn't really write it into the name most of the time, even when they used it. It becomes easier to not register it and use it when appropriate. Good luck, Fukumitsu-dono! -Ii
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Post by Fukumitsu Noriatsu on Sept 2, 2014 9:41:06 GMT -5
I feel kinda stupid asking this, but, how do I pronounce my persona name?
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Post by Please Delete on Sept 2, 2014 13:33:45 GMT -5
The nice thing is that Japanese is mostly pronounced as it is written, so there is only one sound for each vowel. I've tried to use a few examples in case there are differences between how English speakers might pronounce any given word:
A = "a" in father I = "ee" in street or "y" in lorry U = "oo" in boot or "u" in super E = "e" in let O = "oa" in goat or "o" in go
Also, the Japanese alphabets (kana) are "consonant-vowel".
FU-KU/MI-TSU JI-RO-U NO-RI/A-TSU
F = F, but technically it is a bilabial fticative instead of a labio-dental fricative. TS = TS like the end of puts. It is in the "T" line of the Japanese orthography. R = more of a combination of "L" and "D"; almost like you are staying to roll a Spanish "R" or combing it with an "L".
RO-U is pronounced like RO, but the O is held a bit longer. Most people won't notice. (If you are really interested, it is two "morae", as Japanese focuses more on morae than syllables)
Does that help at all?
Ii
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Post by Please Delete on Sept 2, 2014 15:08:57 GMT -5
RO-U is pronounced like RO, but the O is held a bit longer. Most people won't notice. Rereading this I realized that there is one possible but of confusion: So if you ask a Japanese person to sound ROU out slowly, they will say "RO-U", but in practice it tends to sound more like "RO-O". This makes sense, when you think about it, because, well, try saying "RO-U" and "RO-O" without a pause between the vowels. That said, I always think about the U, and I believe it helps. Ii
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Post by Fukumitsu Noriatsu on Sept 2, 2014 18:33:56 GMT -5
That is very helpful, thank you. So, how do I introduce myself to other people?
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Post by Please Delete on Sept 2, 2014 21:46:51 GMT -5
Look at them, bow, and say "Hello, my name is Fukumitsu Noriatsu. A pleasure to meet you!"
In Japanese: "Watashi* wa Fukumitsu Noriatsu to moushi-agemasu. Yoroshiku onegaishimasu." (phonetically: "Watashi wa Fukumitsu Nori'atsu to moshi-agemas. Yoroshku onega'ishimas.") *"Watashi" can also be "watakushi" (very polite form of "watashi") or "sessha" (very humble form, though I don't know when--it has an old time samurai feel). Avoid the more uncouth "Boku" or "ore" unless you are deliberately trying to be rough.
BTW, using Japanese people are unlikely to get to know your name--you'll likely need to translate it to English, anyway.
Ideally: Most people should call you Fukumitsu, or Fukumitsu-dono. Friends would probably call you "Noriatsu". Intimate acquaintances or family would know you as "Jirou". The full name might be used if needed, but mostly you just need Fukumitsu Noriatsu, like if you are called up into court. You will often have to tell people about -dono, though it is awkward. In truth, I let people use their titles for me, unless they ask.
-Ii
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Post by Fukumitsu Noriatsu on Sept 3, 2014 5:49:43 GMT -5
Cool.
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Post by Fukumitsu Noriatsu on Sept 7, 2014 20:22:37 GMT -5
I've been doing some research about the plausibility of a Japanese samurai in Medieval Europe. I stumbled across the trade of Japanese slaves, the information stated that slaves were the first Japanese to set foot in Europe. So I'm wondering if anyone knows about the plausibility of a Japanese slave being freed, either for saving his master or outstanding service or the like. Also curious if anyone has information about samurai raising horses or learning about farming, or any of the skilled trades. Maybe a lower level samurai?
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Post by Fukumitsu Noriatsu on Sept 7, 2014 20:50:40 GMT -5
Luke's Lady here again. The reading I had been doing didn't say about much getting through during the "Chaos" as it was put. Indeed it sounded like the silk road had pretty much been shut down. That it wasn't is really rather exciting. ^_^ So maybe our story "could" be plausible. It kind of reads like a romance novel but hey, why not? Thank you for the information and setting me straight. As for the problem with the kosode staying closed - it's not a question of simply being well endowed. It's the fact that I was well endowed before nursing three strapping boys. The - ahem - result has been a little staggering and mundane clothes are a pain to fit as it is. Support is just as important as ensuring that wardrobe mishaps don't happen. I am short waisted and long legged which is why I shy away from such a straight profile. Question: is the bias tape wrapped around the waist over top of each successive layer or is it attached to the layer it's keeping closed? Would ties, much like the inner ties for a bathrobe be period? And as for wrapping the kosode, instead of wrapping them between one's bosoms, it gets wrapped over top?
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