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Post by Please Delete on Jan 28, 2015 17:40:07 GMT -5
Something to consider--the nanori was usually something that was taken as something to attach their name to. Sometimes a mentor or lord might give you a character to use as part of your name. Taking such a name is something that an ashigaru would have done if he had aspirations--take a look at Hideyoshi. Born (probably) in Nakamura, in present-day Nagoya, he was said to have been called Hiyoshimaru (no surname, since he was a peasant). He then, apparently, took the name Kinoshita Tokichiro and enlisted with the Imagawa. Later, he became a general in the Oda army, taking the name Hashiba Hideyoshi. He later was granted the family name of Toyotomi by the Imperial Court when he was Kampaku.
Hayashi is good--the character is two trees (meaning grove). There is also "Mori", but it is only two (but it has three trees, meaning forest). I'll check out some nanori that might be good. Nobunao (No bu now) is four morae, but might (kind of) fit the pattern you are looking for.
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Post by hiroantagonist on Jan 28, 2015 18:33:42 GMT -5
I like hayashi because of the tree element, the three syllables, and the "shi" sound. Might look cool on a device under a mon. Are there any single kanji nanori that would be appropriate?
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Post by solveig on Jan 28, 2015 20:28:04 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! Are there any single kanji nanori that would be appropriate? Single kanji nanori are exceedingly rare, but they do exist. For example, there are Kisoi 競 Kotau 答 Sadamu 定 Susumu 進 Tamotsu 保 Terasu 照 Yoshi 義
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 6:27:32 GMT -5
FYI, there are some names that were passed in much earlier years of the SCA that won't pass today. "Nissan Maxima" is an example. I can't find "Nissan Maxima" in the online ordinary and armorial, and I do not believe it was ever "passed" by the heralds. The heralds themselves will tell you that you are free to use any name you want in the SCA. The heralds only apply standards to names you wish to have registered. That said, consider the social consequences before you use something that will offend or amuse people too much. Unless you're like Nissan Maxima, I mean.
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Post by hiroantagonist on Feb 2, 2015 15:33:26 GMT -5
So if I have this right, Hayashi Daijiro (or Daiji) Tamotsu would be an appropriate name for a low rank samurai of the waring states period and what documentation would I need to support that for the heralds? Also, would it be appropriate to have a shashimono with something like (arranged vertically on white cloth) Japanese goose flying(like the mon) kanji for hayashi, kanji for tamotsu? How would I register/blazon that? As a name, I like the individual kanji of Hayashi Daijiro Tamotsu, and the mouth feel of saying it, but i think I would drop the middle one most of the time and use it all for being announced at tournaments. This will be a persona I really want to do all types of fighting with, and hope to be good enough to develop a positive reputation. If you are going to enter a fencing tournament with a katana, you better back that up with some skill.
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Post by solveig on Feb 2, 2015 18:21:18 GMT -5
Also, would it be appropriate to have a shashimono with something like (arranged vertically on white cloth) Japanese goose flying(like the mon) kanji for hayashi, kanji for tamotsu? How would I register/blazon that? As seen in battlefield paintings and rolls of arms, what you are proposing was not done. That is, people did not put their names on their sashimono. There are examples of kamon consisting of kanji, but they are not people's names.
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Post by hiroantagonist on Feb 2, 2015 18:43:34 GMT -5
Ah, I stand corrected. What would be some cool kanji things for sashimono? Or where they pretty much just the mon?
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 3, 2015 1:39:41 GMT -5
The one that springs most readily to mind is a banner ascribed to Takeda Shingen's quoting precepts from Sun Tzu. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C5%ABrinkazanYes, I just used Wikipedia. It's a place to start.
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Post by hiroantagonist on Feb 3, 2015 8:55:41 GMT -5
The heraldic group I have been kicking around Japanese device ideas with is waiting for this book, then we are looking at doing an individually attested pattern submission, but a mon, basically a field less single charge device might be too simplistic for a registered device, which is why we have been looking at sashimono.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 3, 2015 9:10:41 GMT -5
Simple heraldry is good heraldry. Here is mine:
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Post by solveig on Feb 3, 2015 20:12:45 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! Ah, I stand corrected. What would be some cool kanji things for sashimono? Or where they pretty much just the mon? To the best of my knowledge, the motto of Takeda Shingen was only displayed on a tall banner and was never displayed on a sashimono. Most sashimono display kamon. There are a couple of historical kamon which consist of kanji, but the College of Arms refuses to register designs which consist exclusively of abstract symbols such as kanji. There are some examples of sashimono which appear to display unit designations instead of kamon. These apparent unit designations consist of a single comparatively simple kanji such as 有 or 伍 I will point out that most warriors wearing sashimono in battlefield paintings are wearing a kamon associated with their daimyo. Those wearing the 有 or 伍 have them displayed in black on a white background in fatter sashimono than usual. Those wearing 有 or 伍 appear to be singular individuals.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 7:03:08 GMT -5
The heraldic group I have been kicking around Japanese device ideas with is waiting for this book, then we are looking at doing an individually attested pattern submission, but a mon, basically a field less single charge device might be too simplistic for a registered device, which is why we have been looking at sashimono. A fieldless monochromatic single charge mon is more able to be registered as a badge, but that might not be what you want. I had trouble getting my badge-registered mon on the kingdom roll of arms, for instance. That would reserve it for your personal use, however. I'm glad to hear that book smashed through its funding goal!
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Post by solveig on Feb 6, 2015 20:06:42 GMT -5
Noble Cousin!
Greetings from Solveig! Devices have to have a field. Only badges are allowed to be fieldless. The forthcoming book is an annotated publication of Oumajirushi. Oumajirushi is also available online at the library of the National Diet of Japan. What Oumajirushi records are armorial displays. That is it has pictures of flags, standards, &c. many if not all of which actually date to period. (Oumajirushi was compiled in the 17th century.) Many of the things in Oumajirushi do not display kamon, but are a variety of other things employed on the battlefield.
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