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Post by alfredofromsanmarcos on Feb 16, 2015 22:47:23 GMT -5
Does anyone have a link to a pattern for the tight-fitting hakama that were sometimes worn under armor? Also, what is the correct name for that type of Hakama? Thanks!
Al
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 17, 2015 1:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by alfredofromsanmarcos on Feb 17, 2015 11:10:57 GMT -5
I'm looking for a pattern for the style that Effingham compares to a Judo Gi. And if there is a specific name for that style.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 14:31:45 GMT -5
I'm looking for a pattern for the style that Effingham compares to a Judo Gi. And if there is a specific name for that style. Perhaps they'd be called "shitagi no hakama"? You could probably start with a pattern for monpe (field pants) and work from there. Image searches for "yoroi no hakama" show something like monpe, though with no seam up the center back. They appear to wrap around at the waist, tying in front.
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Post by Please Delete on Feb 17, 2015 22:54:28 GMT -5
So hakama refers to just about any bifurcated lower garment in period. Technically sashinuki are a type of hakama. When you look at the peasants, they have hitatare and hakama, but it looks nothing like what you see the high muckity mucks wearing. To make them, you can make them similar to making regular hakama, but use less fabric--just enough to get around the legs. This means you won't have need for pleats, either, and you probably won't want to have the side slit down as far. Likewise your ties would probably go around just the once. Most of the hakama for under armor seem to be like what Ishiyama-dono is pointing to, often with a bit of a flair. The judo gi style is more like this: kozando.co.jp/ec/products/detail.php?product_id=78Those are modernly manufactured by Kozando as gusosku-shitagi, and are probably what Hiraizumi-gimi was thinking of. If your browser can read kanji, put this phrase into Google and do an image search: "具足下着" That should help you find pictures of what I think you are looking for. -Ii
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 7:22:46 GMT -5
So hakama refers to just about any bifurcated lower garment in period. Are unbifurcated hakama ("hakama skirts") post-period? I know they exist for both women and men, but I haven't looked into their history. The Internet tells me that in modern Japan the male unbifurcated hakama are mostly worn as formal wear.
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Post by worldantiques on Feb 21, 2015 3:46:35 GMT -5
Does anyone have a link to a pattern for the tight-fitting hakama that were sometimes worn under armor? Also, what is the correct name for that type of Hakama? Thanks! Al Momohiki hakama.
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Post by Please Delete on Feb 21, 2015 15:07:53 GMT -5
Are unbifurcated hakama ("hakama skirts") post-period? I know they exist for both women and men, but I haven't looked into their history. The Internet tells me that in modern Japan the male unbifurcated hakama are mostly worn as formal wear. I can't think of a period example. A quick look for "Andon Hakama" ("lantern hakama"), which is the colloquial name for unbifurcated hakama, indicates that they appeared in the late Edo period. -Ii
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