schua
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Post by schua on Feb 23, 2015 16:49:08 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I'm new to Tousando though I have read in the forum for a long time. I'm currently working on my first armor, a late 16th century ni-mai dô with Sugake odoshi-laced lames. My intention is to wear it for sparring in my martial art. For this purpose, www.sengokudaimyo.com/katchu/katchu.html (section "A Dô With Laced Lames") suggests to put a rivet between the upper lacing holes, instead of fix the lames with tomegawa lacing. I would prefer the tomegawa method, but I have doubt if it is sturdy enough for fighting. Does anyone have experience with either one or the other method for a do used for combat? What material would be best for the cord used for tomegawa? I've found a PE cord with wire core, maybe that would work. Thanks for any suggestion Schua |
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Post by Please Delete on Feb 24, 2015 22:03:05 GMT -5
Tomegawa works best for laced dou, in my opinion, because of the way you can loosen it and then tighten during lacing. I haven't found a problem with it (mine is still quite sturdy after about 15 years and plenty of combat, though some of the tomegawa did start to come undone). I think it will hold up fine and allow for easier repairs, if needed. They used it originally for a reason.
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schua
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Post by schua on Feb 25, 2015 3:35:33 GMT -5
Thanks for your answer. The repair issue is exactly why I tend to tomegawa for my dô. I don't like the idea to drill out the rivets on the completed dô.
What kind of material did you use for the tomegawa lacing? Artificial sinew, nylon cord, wire or something else?
I think the diameter of the cord shouldn't be more than 1mm (1/24 inch), otherwise the lacing holes would be to small for tomegawa laces and Sugake odoshi laces.
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Post by Kozure Okami on Feb 25, 2015 8:05:56 GMT -5
Hey Schua, my leather supplier in town sells kangaroo leather in strings as narrow as 1mm. He advertises it as being very strong, so I decided to use it as tomegawa. Unfortunately, I can't tell you how good it really is yet, but if problems arise, I will report them in the thread about my tosei gusoku project. |
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Post by schua on Feb 25, 2015 16:41:33 GMT -5
Hey Schua, my leather supplier in town sells kangaroo leather in strings as narrow as 1mm. He advertises it as being very strong, so I decided to use it as tomegawa. Unfortunately, I can't tell you how good it really is yet, but if problems arise, I will report them in the thread about my tosei gusoku project. Thanks for your input! I think leather is the best choice to be historical correct. On the other hand modern synthetic materials are propably stronger. I'm looking forward to any news about your project. |
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Post by Please Delete on Feb 25, 2015 22:48:28 GMT -5
I used artificial sinew, and that is what Hiraizumi-gimi recommended. I would think that sinew or possibly even thin strips of rawhide might work (since you should be able to wet and tighten them, afterwards). Sinew seems to match what I recall seeing on the actual ones, but I'd have to go back and check.
-Ii
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Post by worldantiques on Feb 25, 2015 23:29:31 GMT -5
Hey Schua, my leather supplier in town sells kangaroo leather in strings as narrow as 1mm. He advertises it as being very strong, so I decided to use it as tomegawa. Unfortunately, I can't tell you how good it really is yet, but if problems arise, I will report them in the thread about my tosei gusoku project. Do they sell their kangaroo leather online? I can not find any real sinew, what you describe sounds like it may be a suitable substitute. |
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Post by Kozure Okami on Feb 26, 2015 8:02:52 GMT -5
They do sell it online, but doing a quick check, I couldn't figure out if they ship to places outside of Germany. There's also no English version of their website, but here is the link to the page where you can order it in 10m-quantities: www.lederstrumpf-shop.de/de/10-Meter-Kaengurulederband-1-mm_11454.html1m is 1,60€, buying 10m gives you a discount of 3€. There are 4 colors available. I'm glad to help if you have any trouble with the German on the site  |
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Post by Kurodachi no Mykaru on Feb 26, 2015 9:32:19 GMT -5
Eric,
I haven't tried it but I'm pretty sure Tandy lists kangaroo lacing (or did). Kangaroo is stronger than equivalent thickness cow, but small enough for what we need I think artificial sinew is better.
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Post by Kurodachi no Mykaru on Feb 26, 2015 9:40:49 GMT -5
Update, Tandy no longer lists it but Springfield leather has it in 3\32.
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