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Post by raito on May 2, 2005 12:19:20 GMT -5
I believe they are in the 30-35# range. Simple? Not recurves. Not longbows. I have practiced yadome-jutsu. Have you? I believe that the maximum weight for a bow for fiberglass arrows is 30#. As for yadome-jutsu, yes I have, though it's not so much cutting as I'm usually armed with a spear. Did you know what white attracts arrows? Try going to Gulf Wars if you want to see an excess of archers.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on May 2, 2005 12:22:53 GMT -5
umm... no... I haven't... as I know not what it is... Lo yadome jutsu รจ l'arte del deviare le freccie con una spada o una qualsiasi altra arma a disposizione del guerriero. Per risultare efficace una tale tipo di pratica necessita di precisione e scelta di tempo assoluti. La valutazione dell'effettivo punto di arrivo della freccia deve essere valutato con assoluta precisione per trascurare le frecce non pericolose e deviare solo quelle che effettivamente costituiscono un pericolo. www.kobukan.it/yadome-jutsu.asp
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Post by Hiroyuki on May 2, 2005 12:36:43 GMT -5
Oi! I think I knew more before I read that... So what is it, really?
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on May 2, 2005 12:46:26 GMT -5
Arrow blocking. Bird blunts from a 30 pound bow, fencing mask, and bokken make for a pretty good non-sca practice.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on May 2, 2005 12:54:36 GMT -5
I believe that the maximum weight for a bow for fiberglass arrows is 30#. That is correct, Viscount. I have always shot golf-tubes so I have not bothered to accurately measure the loaner bows I have - they are well below the 50# limit for 'heavy bows'.
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on May 2, 2005 15:28:04 GMT -5
I once saw an archer taking a bead on me, and as he nocked, so did I - He loosed first across the bridge, and I swatted the fiberglass shaft away with my bow - then let loose at him, thunking one into his chest... he looked at me like I was nuts! Of course i was - I never thought I could get away with it, but it worked for me...and the arrow was not just lobbing - it was a point and fire arrow from about 20 feet... I, of course, played this off like I did it every day.
After the battle, this chap looked me up and said he could not believe i did that, and i replied that yadome-jutsu was an ancient and highly respected art in the Japanese Islands.
I failed to mention that I had never practiced it before! ;-) Date
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on May 2, 2005 19:37:00 GMT -5
I bet you say that to all the girls. ;->
(Now, can I slap arrows away with a sensu......) Makiwara
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Post by Sakurai Takamori on May 18, 2005 12:20:41 GMT -5
Having seen the lovely bows offered for sale around, I am frusdtrated due to a severe case of two kids and job that doesn't pay enough (exacerbated by saving up for materials for a new suit and kabuto) Having had moderate success making small bows in an earlier life (a simple English hunter and a truly ugly but serviceable-in the short-term recurve) does anyone know of a site featuring instructions on actually making a Japanese great bow? I've seen articles on tempering bamboo but nothing that sets things out methodically from start to finish for Canadians with thick skulls like my humble self. Any assistance much appreciated
veejay (who's STILL trying to come up with a Japanese name and period !)
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Post by Yvarg on May 23, 2005 23:10:01 GMT -5
i thoguht that the when the guns got popular with the japanese they pretty much dumped the bows, until someone started making them out of bamboo which increased their power so they were just as effective as guns and used more because of their reliablity.
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on May 24, 2005 8:32:09 GMT -5
There are a few refrences to crossbow very early on, but they never seemed to realy catch on enough for them to be produced in Japan in any great numbers, enough so that the art was handed down for more than a few years before dissapearing.
As far as firearms go... The basic matchlock was introduced into Japan about 1543. The Japanese, familiar with gunpowder and other powder devices, immediately took hold of the concept. By 1545 it appears they copied or developed on their own the snapping matchlock (spring driven) which was more reliable than the standard lever matchlock.
Snapping Matchlocks of good quality are about as reliable as flintlocks, when you figure in the chances of a flint breaking and failing to produce spark. Secondly, a slowmatch is easily manufactured on the local level, and is very easy to manufacture from the waste material of powder making. Flints however have to be mined, and shaped, and usualy are only available in specific areas. Japan did produce a handfull of flintlocks, and were familiar with the system. However it was very much not in the majority. Heck they made a good number of flint tinder-starters around the Edo period.
By 1615 the need for newly made firearms declined. The Tokugawa did not want to spend the money on firearm/weapon development, since they had no real need to. The Tokugawa were (supposedly) adequately equipped to deal with any local threat, (weapon development was forbidden of the provincial lords). They also thought that they would be able to deal with any outside threat.
150 years later the western world had passed them by in weapons technology, not because of any tradition, but simply the Japanese had not considered firearm development to be of importance. With the Meiji resotration, the Imperial army was founded with a relitive handful of muzzle loading percussion cap rifles (surplus from England, Genrmany, and the United States {various Manufacture}), changed very rapidly to a breech loading cartridge firearm {1868 Naval Albini-Brenlin IIRC}, and within 22 years of the opening of the country was producing bolt action magazine fed rifles for their military. (The Murata 22 (22th year of Meiji) which was a home-version of the Kropachet Bolt action repeater, with elements of the German Mausers (71/84) IIRC.)
***Further note*** By the early 1900's Japan was producing enough bolt action rifles to export to various locations around the world. China, England, Finnland, Russia, France, Italy, Portugal, and Turkey all purchased the Arisaka (Type38) design. Lawrence (of Arabia) was supposedly very fond of the Arisaka and carried one as his personal rifle during much of his exploits.
So, point to be made, is the Japanese loved guns, the Tokugawa love of saving money on development was greater.
Bamboo was used in bows since at least the end of the Nara period. By the Kamakura era, bows were almost totaly made out of bamboo and not hardwoods. This predates firearms in Japan by over 400 years. Firearms exceeded bows due to the capability of damage, regardless of user. And firearms generally achive an acceptable degree of accuracy with months of training, as opposed to years with a bow.
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Post by Garrad Lange on May 26, 2005 14:26:02 GMT -5
has anyone seen or shot the yumi bows that woodbows dot com are selling? Garrad Lange pentamere free company (sca/midrealm)
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on May 26, 2005 14:43:28 GMT -5
Short answer is that they are not yumi.
Among other shortcomings, they shoot off the left side of the bow and not off the right.
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Post by Garrad Lange on May 27, 2005 5:40:10 GMT -5
Your correct, Otagiri-dono !! there not Yumi, but i was thinking about a "combat archery" bow on the fields of pennsic. i was looking for something inexpensive that you could use and be able to throw down and fight heavy combat after you have shot your arrows...i would not like to take a $300 to $600 bamboo Yumi on the field to have it stepped on by foot soldiers. i'm sure you know what i mean. Garrad Lange Pentamere Free Company (sca/midrealm)
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on May 29, 2005 11:33:23 GMT -5
So then I think your question is 'does anyone here have direct experience handling one of the Woodbows.com bows. I believe the answer to that is 'no.' Sorry.
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Post by Garrad Lange on May 31, 2005 5:34:38 GMT -5
Domo !!! Otagiri-dono. thanks for your replys, I will stick to my 14-15th century english longbow.
Garrad Lange Pentamere Free Company (sca/midrealm) p.s. i was also asking for my son who is pursuing a japanese persona in the sca.
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