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Post by Hiroda Ujio on Oct 3, 2004 21:53:44 GMT -5
A quick question, are the Kozane plates for sale by Noble plastics (Effingham plate) good for making a Haidate?
Thanks in advance,
Hiroda Ujio
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Oct 5, 2004 15:47:28 GMT -5
I would not make a kozane haidate, but given the Japanese penchant for experimenting (especially _after_ 1600), it might have been done once or twice. Almost all haidate are made from rectangular plates, but then I just saw these. They use a plate that is rounded on one end ... not unlike the Noble Plastic Newcastle plates. The stich holes aren't the same, however. And this is most probably a late Edo piece.  You can find a blow up of that pic here... rhinohide.cx/daimyou/daimyoutono/daimyoutono.web.infoseek.co.jp/H920/IMG_6381.JPG--- Looking at these closely, they might be iyozane pieces as they would appear before they are laced and laquered together. This would be easier to tell if I had ever seen iyozane! Perhaps this is some really piss poor reconstruction job done with a few pieces of armouring left overs in the shop? |
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Post by AJBryant on Oct 8, 2004 16:13:41 GMT -5
>>I would not make a kozane haidate, but given the Japanese penchant for experimenting (especially _after_ 1600), it might have been done once or twice. Oh, it was.  Actually, the first haidate from the late 13-14th c. were made of kozane, only they UNDERLAPPED rather than overlapping the next lame down. Very bizarre pieces. The interesting thing to me is that the top row of kawara is different from all the rest; the top appear to be rectangular, while the rest conform to the more standard capsule-shaped kawara (see my pattern on haidate plates to see what I mean). I don't know if this was a reconstruction or what; it's strange that the top row is different. Very odd. Tony |
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Post by lestat on Oct 8, 2004 22:32:17 GMT -5
Actually, would you mind expanding on the details of those early haidate? I'm going with a mid 14th century look, a haramaki is in the works(made of plastic for "suit MK1"...I'm sorry!). Anyway, I've seen tons of pics of them, but I can't really figure out how the lacing works. Thanks a lot
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Oct 12, 2004 11:08:09 GMT -5
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