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Post by arashi on Nov 10, 2010 18:10:04 GMT -5
I was just wondering if anyone could let me know what the guidelines for building a Tetsubo / Kanabo would be for use in the Middle Kingdom under the current rules.
Several of the local fighters said a mace type weapon cant be over 4 feet long, some said they required padding, some said no padding required. Generally got conflicting reports and a bunch of "I dont know" responses.
I was wanting to construct one for use as a great weapon, instead of making a Nodachi style great sword. Before I begin building it, I want to make sure I make it legal.
I am continuing to ask other, more experienced, local fighters...but figured I would ask here as well.
Thanks Arashi
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Post by Yagyu Jubei Takemori on Nov 18, 2010 13:44:37 GMT -5
I would check your kingdom marshal handbook and also you can email your KEM and ask him for his opinion. That would be your most likely option, also on the armor Archive there is a photo of nissan maxima with a tetsubo: forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=73637 scroll down and you will see it. looks like it is padded.
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Post by arashi on Nov 20, 2010 22:12:31 GMT -5
Ok...after some looking around, I have found the following (from the Marshals Handbooks, SCA and Midrealm)
A. General 1. NO METAL OR UNAPPROVED RIGID PLASTIC MAY BE USED IN THE STRIKING SURFACE OR SURFACES OF ANY WEAPON. 2. Primary weapons used single-handed shall have a wrist strap (or equivalent restraint) which will keep the weapon from leaving the immediate area of the user. Restraints are not required on hafted weapons used single-handed, or on single-handed back-up weapons. 3. Flails are expressly prohibited. 4. Mechanical devices known as "sliders," which are used to guide or propel spears, are prohibited. 5. All weapons shall have all cutting edges and thrusting tips marked in a contrasting color. 6. The striking surfaces of all weapons, including the tip, shall be wrapped in a manner that allows no rattan splinters to protrude. 7. All thrusting tips and striking heads must be securely attached to the weapon. 8. The edges and tips of all striking surfaces shall be rounded. 9. No part of a weapon shall have sharp edges or protrusions with cross-section of less than 1¼ inch (31.8mm) in diameter. Guards, pommels, hooks, etc., shall be firmly and securely affixed to the weapon haft. 10. It shall not be possible to force any part of a weapon which may reasonably be expected to contact an opponent during combat more than 1/2 inch (12.7 mm) into a legal face guard. Rattan weapons may have a handle section which is less than 1 1/4 inch (31.8 mm), so long as it meets this criterion. Combat archery shafts may be thinner as long as the head and tail meet the criteria. 11. Rattan shall not be treated in any way that will substantially reduce its flexibility (e.g., treated with wax, resin, fiberglass, etc.). 12. No weapon shall exceed 6 lbs (2.73 kg). 13. No missile weapons intended to simulate firearms, slings, slingstaffs, nor Atlatl's can be used on the field of Armored Combat.
C. Two-Handed Weapons. Weapons which may be used with one or two hands shall have the following requirements: 1. Weapons shall be constructed of rattan of not less than 1 1/4 inch (31.8 mm) in diameter (including tape). Polearms may contain blades constructed of split rattan, so long as the piece(s) are securely fastened to the haft. 2. The weapon shall not be excessively flexible. 3. If the weapon has a head, it shall not be constructed of solely rigid materials. The head shall be firmly and securely attached to the haft. The head shall allow at least 1⁄2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressive give between the striking surface and the weapon haft. Laminated or split rattan construction techniques do not require 1⁄2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressive give, so long as their construction imparts striking characteristics similar to an unpadded weapon constructed of a single piece of rattan. 4. No weapon may have a cutting and/or smashing surface at both ends. 5. When thrusting tips are used, they shall be no less than 2 inches (50.8 mm) in diameter/cross-section and have 2 inches (50.8 mm) of resilient material in front of the rigid tip of the weapon, thereby providing progressively resistant give. 6. Weapons exceeding 7 1⁄2 feet (2.286 m) shall not be used for cutting or smashing and shall be used for thrusting only. 7. Total weapon length shall not exceed 12 feet (3.658 m).
MIDDLE KINGDOM ADDITIONS TO SOCIETY WEAPON STANDARDS A. PROHIBITED WEAPONS 1. Thrusting shields and Punch Daggers are prohibited in the Lists of the Middle Kingdom. 2. Axe heads are prohibited on weapons over 72 inches in the Lists of the Middle Kingdom.
B. MASS WEAPONS INCLUDE MACES, AXES, AND WAR HAMMERS. 1. Padding: Mass weapons must be padded with at least ½ inch of flexible closed-cell foam, or its equivalent, along any striking surface. EXCEPTION #1: Pre-molded "Rathbone" or other similarly approved axe heads do not require padding along the striking surface. EXCEPTION #2: 7.5 foot polearms may be unpadded. 2. Clicker mace and axe Clicker mace and axe striking surfaces may use split rattan, heater hose, or strips of rubber or leather as clickers. A minimum of ½ inch of closed cell foam must separate the haft rattan and the clicker. The clicker must start at least 1 inch below the head of the weapon, and stop 1 inch above the bottom of the head, and constructed such that the edges of the piece of clicker cannot come in contact with the opponent being struck. A clicker must be 1¼ inches wide, with a minimum space of 1 inch between clickers. A clicker must not extend more than ½ inch into a legal faceplate opening. 3. All maces are strictly single-handed weapons. Under no circumstances may any sort of clicker be introduced into a two handed weapons. 4. A single-handed mass weapon may not exceed 48 inches in length. Any mass weapon longer than 48 inches is considered to be a polearm and covered by those standards.
C. POLEARM AND GREAT AXES 1. BUTT SPIKES: To employ a butt spike the user must be authorized in polearm. Butt spikes may only be used on weapons over 48 inches. 2. The use of padded and unpadded striking surfaces are not permitted on the same weapon. 3. A Great Axe may be up to 72 inches in length. 4. Polearms over 6 feet must be unpadded.
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Post by arashi on Nov 20, 2010 22:19:13 GMT -5
The wording in regards to the padding needed has me slightly confused.
"The head shall allow at least 1⁄2 inch (12.7 mm) of progressive give between the striking surface and the weapon haft. "
That line makes it sound like you need 1/2 inch of compression without bottoming out.
"Mass weapons must be padded with at least ½ inch of flexible closed-cell foam, or its equivalent, along any striking surface"
This one makes it sound like you just need 1/2 inch of padding, not compression.
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Post by kazuyama on Nov 21, 2010 18:29:16 GMT -5
Stupid question, so now that I admitted it, no making fun of me. What's a clicker?
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Post by arashi on Nov 22, 2010 11:54:22 GMT -5
A clicker is when you have a strip of thin rattan separated from the main shaft of the weapon by padding or something similar, that will "click" against the shaft when struck with sufficient force. They are not very common from what I have seen.
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Post by kazuyama on Nov 22, 2010 17:42:41 GMT -5
So the reason for the clicker is to let the opponent know he's been hit with sufficient force?
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Post by arashi on Nov 22, 2010 17:49:00 GMT -5
Presumably, yes...getting someone to take a blow that sounds like you are being hit by a pillow can be tough sometimes.
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