Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Mar 3, 2005 21:14:18 GMT -5
Hime, you are SUCH a GIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLL! ;-> M.
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Mar 3, 2005 21:22:29 GMT -5
You've obviously never seen me try to fly a kite. You shoulda seen prototype 1, Charlie Brown. I thought that if I cut out an arc of paper and folded it in equal sections, the sticks would naturally end up in the right place. It looked like a fan, sorta. There was just no way you could FOLD the freakin' thing. Besides, the whole fan thing is your fault. [Sniff] You drop a hint that my fan is wrong, vanish into the woodwork without explaining why and I like, had to do research. And stuff. When I think of how much money I spent on art books and origami paper, I coulda bought a sensu from Japan. No, wait, that's no fun. Kites? Uh oh. Please don't give me any more brilliant ideas, Sensei! M.
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Mar 4, 2005 10:15:47 GMT -5
'ello all, Was looking thru the HQ catalog (div. of sportsmans guide) when I stubled on these cuties... Unlinkable? I'm considering grabbing a pair and using these as a base for kegutsu. Might take care of the problem of internal support for us folks with bad legs and stuff, and also have a nice breathable and absorbent lining already to go, just add fur, trim and accessories. Here is the link to the catalog: www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=175461
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Post by Saiaiko on Mar 4, 2005 11:57:36 GMT -5
Hime, you are SUCH a GIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLL! ;-> M. Wait until you see the gutsu I am working on now, Hime.... Mitsuyamagutsu to be precise. www2.kyohaku.go.jp/tokuchin/yusoku/sc20692e.htmWith regards to the above posting, the pic did not come up for me, but I will say that while I have absolutely no arch and a Benkei-sized body to hike around on my flat feet, I am extremely comfortable in the kegutsu I made. I threw in gel sport soles and cotton blend socks for comfort. Just a thought.
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Mar 4, 2005 20:39:39 GMT -5
Those are pretty cool! Be sure to let us know how they come out. She who has cute little bunnies on her geta
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Nov 2, 2005 18:37:02 GMT -5
I've not been a big fan of kegutsu on late period foot soldiers ... Kegutsu and momi-tabi are worn only for interviews with noblemen ... Tanki Yoriaku but maybe I need to reconsider (or is it just artistic license) ... www.ne.jp/asahi/sengoku/yamagata/toppage.htm
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Nov 2, 2005 19:12:56 GMT -5
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Post by Sakurai Takamori on Nov 6, 2005 21:50:47 GMT -5
While waiting for Ogami-dono's article....for anyone trying the ol' rubber boot route try using the felt insert sold for your garden variety snowmobile snowboot (or Sorrell's... check army surplus or Wal-Mart) It's bacially a felt boot...much like a Russian valenki......that fits inside a boot/ Not only is it warm but it tends to wick away light moisture Now, step in a puddle and I can't help you, but sweat should not be a problem.
And for those who are blessed to live in snowless places (curses on you!!!) Drop me a line and I can send you cheap ones from the eastern lands of the eternal ice!
Takamori
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Post by Sakurai Takamori on Nov 6, 2005 21:55:14 GMT -5
Man, I have GOT to read the date stamps on the posts before I reply....either that or lay off the rum before I go online (what I said about felt booties still stands, tho') Takamori
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Nov 6, 2005 22:04:00 GMT -5
Our Esteemed Moderator went on a Happy Birthday Tousando binge a little over a month ago and reopened a bunch of old threads, so some confusion is inevitable. Besides fuzzy samurai bunny slipper weather is coming, at least for those of you who live in intemperate climes.
I'll ignore that curse thing. You're gonna get snowed on, what revenge do I need?
Saionji
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Post by solveig on Nov 10, 2005 21:07:29 GMT -5
Otagiri dono!
Greetings from Solveig! I do not believe that the footwear pictured here are kegutsu. They appear more likely to be momitabi. Even these are rare in battle paitings. There are scores and scores of battle paintings where practically everyone is either wearing waraji or going barefoot. There are paintings of bushou (generals) and such like wearing kegutsu. So, if you are some sort of royalty or a knight, then feel free. Otherwise, you are being some what presumptuous. Also, please, please, please do not wear your kegutsu indoors.
If you simply want to wear shoes, male members of the kuge wore a variety of shoes when they were outdoors. These come in a variety of forms and are derived from Chinese models. If you want to belong to an imperial guard unit, then you can wear low cut leather boots. There are scores and scores of pictures of people wearing this sort of footwear.
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Post by Nagamochi on Nov 11, 2005 3:36:38 GMT -5
Ok, Solveig, care to enlighten me, or us, on these scores of indoor footwear based on Chinese models? Please?
Ja ne Nagamochi
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Post by solveig on Nov 11, 2005 7:23:35 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! Ok, Solveig, care to enlighten me, or us, on these scores of indoor footwear based on Chinese models? Please? Nagamochi 1) You misread my posting. Scores of pictures does not mean scores of distinct garments. Rather, it means that certain garments are very well supported. 2) You also misread what I wrote about outdoors. Activities which we conduct indoors at times correspond to activities, such as listening to music concerts, which were conducted in courtyards. Kegutsu are associated with battle paintings which restricts their use in any case. Even that said. There is reason to believe that certain periods at least some people wore rather specific shoes inside or at least above ground. There is a chance that the leather boots of guard boots were worn on verandas. Further, there is an even better chance that certain types of slip on enclosed shoes possibly made of cloth or lacquered wood were worn in doors. Please do not argue from the custom of removing shoes in modern Japan. People generally go barefoot (or stocking foot) either 1) on tatami or 2) in sacred precincts. [This business about removing shoes for sacred precincts can be found all over the place as far West as Morocco.] Indoors, modern Japanese customarily wear footwear everywhere except on tatami. As tatami appear to have originated as sleeping mats, this is anything, but surprising. The actual custom is to change footwear every time there is a change in elevation. Thus, there is dedicated footwear for the toilet, dedicated footwear for the bath, dedicated footwear for hallways, dedicated footwear for sitting around your desk at work, &c. The closest analog with which you are familiar is probably Mr. Rogers on television who always changes his shoes and his jacket at the beginning of his program. Regardless, there are even woven straw sandals which are worn indoors! Your Humble Servant Solveig Throndardottir Amateur Scholar
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Saionji Shonagon
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Nov 11, 2005 8:34:19 GMT -5
I'm going to guess that Our Oh So NOT Kuge* Moderator is trying to find something that complies with the "sturdy footwear" requirements of the SCA marshalate and is not hideously inconsistent with a late period buke persona. Broken toes heal. Arthritis is forever. Saionji *All civilized and civilizing behavior to the contrary.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Nov 11, 2005 14:09:51 GMT -5
Solveig-sensei! Let me first state that I agree with you. I did not believe that kegutsu belong on the feet infantry in the sixteenth century. Amid dozens and dozens of samurai depicted in the six screens I linked above, I can find only one pair footwear that are definately kegutsu - and they are on the general (see screen six) - and only two or three maybe's. But let us look closely at this pic as a possible counter-argument. I have annotated it below. We can see six figures in the illustration, notes as A B C D E and F. A is wearing an eboshi, his armor is laced in pink, and he carries a spear. He is wearing something black on his feet. The black feet appear somewhat fuzzy. Even more strange, his right foot has something vaquely flesh-colored sticking out at the toes. Are these supposed to be his toes? His left foot does not have this flesh colored bit. B is wearing a multiplate helmet with a large maedate. His armor is appears to be laced white (or is maybe unfinished). He too wears a black, somewhat fuzzy thing on his foot. Again, something fleshlike appears to be at the toes. C is wearing a large horned maedate, a large red horo, and a shirasaya. He is swinging a tetsubo (note the ring on the butt). Both of his feet are black and both appear to have the toes showing. D is wearing a fan shaped maedate and red lozengy hakama. His foot is covered by something black. There are no mystery toes showing. There is a blue 'upper' piece. This is definately a representation of a kegutsu. E is wearing armour laced in dark blue. I see no maedate. His feet are covered in a light blue cloth. Dark blue lines are seen where waraji cords would be seen. I believe he is wearing blue tabi and waraji. F's feet cannot be seen. But he, too, is wearing a maedate. So of the six figures, one's feet cannot be seen, one is wearing tabi and waraji, three are wearing something black and who's toes seem to be exposed, and one is wearing kegutsu. I cannot imagine why we see three figures who's toes seem exposed. Maybe (1) this is an artifact of the digitalization or (2) maybe this is how the artist depicted kougake or (3) this is an artifact of the artists 'stroke' and there is no attempt to show toes or 'spats' or (4) we just don't know. I think that all the black feet are all kegutsu. -The black feet are larger than the pair wearing the tabi. -At least one pair has the fabric upper we expect of kegutsu. -Kogake were relatively rare. -I've never seen medieval Japanese footwear that covers the arch but exposes the toes. It may be that this picture is allegorical, that it represents a meeting of 'men of rank.' This could explain why there are so many maedate. If we check the page which the illustration comes from (and do a little google translation) www.ne.jp/asahi/sengoku/yamagata/toppage.htmWe see that figure C with the tetsubo is probably Ashikaga Yoshiaki. You can undoubtably provide a better translation than Google. I originally thought that maybe all of them were highly ranked, but only the horo-clad warrior is named on the image. Why four out five samurai are wearing a kegutsu is a mystery to me, but I think it is the best interpretation of the image.
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