some problems with Japanese name

[Kinoshita Takemitsu]

well... i'm posting again

and i'm still having a problem finding a japanese name that i like. i used the random name generator to maybe give me somewhere to start but i'm not sure if they are period names. if they are then i, as an ignorant savage who is unable to understand the enlightened language, would like some help translating. I do know, i think so anyway, that Jiro means the second son.

Myoji

Takeda
Kinoshita
Nakamura


Zokumyo

Ryuujiro
KinJiro
Tojiro
Matajiro
Shinjiro

Nanori

Norimitsu
Hirateiu
Mitsunori



any suggestions would be great

[Saionji Shonagon]

I'm no expert on names, but at least there's more information on names for men. All three of the Miyoji you picked are period. ;->

Have you seen these? They may help.

www.s-gabriel.org/names/solveig/nanori/

www.sengokudaimyo.com/miscellany/miscellany.html

She who has not figured out what her real name is but you can call her Makiwara.

[Kinoshita Takemitsu]

This is the name i've come up with. I've sent a letter to the Academy of st. Gabriel

Kinoshita Kinjiro Takemitsu

Comments and opinions?

[Otagiri Tatsuzou]

I like the obscure reference for Kinoshita. Hopefully it is not presumptious.
www.samurai-archives.com/hideyoshi.html

[Kinoshita Takemitsu]

Well i chose Kinoshita becasue the house i grew up in has this massive Oak in the Back ground. it hangs over the house.

[Masahide]

ccartee said:

This is the name i've come up with. I've sent a letter to the Academy of st. Gabriel

Kinoshita Kinjiro Takemitsu

Comments and opinions?

I'll see if I can give you some documentation from Solveig's book when I get home.

[Masahide]

All references from Throndardottir, S. (2004). Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan, Revised Edition, Potboiler Press, Colombia, MO.

Kinoshita - Dated to 1568 (p. 320) as a historical Surname meaning "Below the Tree"

Kinjiro
Kin - Meaning "Public Official" or "Officer" or "Noble" or "Duke" (in classical chinese). Used in Nanori as early as 1183 in Kinmichi, Kintsu'ne, etc. (p. 192).
jirou - Meaning "next son". Used in tsuushou as early as 1568 in Kojirou (p. 212) - the "ou" spelling is just a variation on romanji spelling of this. I would submit as "ou" as I know that will pass (it did for me).

Takemitsu - Dated to 1392 (p. 257) as a historical Nanori meaning "Strong" or "Brave" or "Military force" & "Bright" or "Shining"

Kinjirou can be registered as a constructed tsuushou without problems (provided there are no conflicts already registered, etc), and the rest can be registered as period names. I can send you an example of the way to write it up if you like.

Let me know if you have any further questions.

[Kinoshita Takemitsu]

I would like that very much thank you for your time

[Masahide]

The following was the name documentation I used for the successful registration of my own name. It includes constructed names, as well as period documented names. I happened to include the kanji in my submission, but that is not really necessary.

You should be able to adapt this to your own names with the citations noted above.

Please let me know if you have any issues or need additional help.

Documentation taken from the "Name books that do not require photocopies to Laurel" list: Solveig Throndardottir, Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan, Revised Edition, 2004.

Furukusu Tatsujirou Masahide (古楠 龍次郎 正秀)

“Furukusu” (古楠) is a constructed surname (or myouji) per II.2. According to Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan by Solveig Throndardottir (p. 32), “Japanese surnames typically consist of a locative substantive element preceded by one or more modifiers.” “Furu” (古) acts as a modifier meaning “old” and has been used in the surnames “Furuda” (old rice paddy) and “Furuta” (old rice paddy) by C.E. 1568 (p. 120 & 317). “Kusu” (楠) is the locative substantive element of the name, meaning “camphor” and has been used in the surname “Kusu’noki” (Camphor Tree, literally – Camphor of tree) by C.E. 1392 (p. 162 & 321).

“Tatsujirou” (龍次郎) is a constructed yobina or tsuushou per II.2. According to Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan by Solveig Throndardottir (p. 44), yobina generally are placed between the surname (myouji) and given name (nanori), and most often consist of a birth order element preceded by a thematic element. “Tatsu” (龍) acts as the thematic element meaning “dragon” and has been used in the name “Tatsu’aki” by C.E. 1332 (p. 174). “Jirou” (次郎) acts as the birth order element meaning “second son” and has been used as early as C.E. 1568 in names such as Kojirou.

“Masahide” (正秀) is found as a period given name (nanori) in Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan by Solveig Throndardottir (p. 288 & 340) having been used by 1600.