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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 27, 2005 16:07:58 GMT -5
Ok, digging through links...
Still confused by some...
Which reading of a kanji do we use?
On-yomi or kun-yomi?
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Post by AJBryant on Jun 27, 2005 16:19:32 GMT -5
Ummm.... when? Both are used.
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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 27, 2005 17:40:39 GMT -5
Oh...
I mean when preparing a name for the SCA.
I currently go by Ookami, which is the kun-yomi reading of the kanji.
I was wondering when you would use the on-yomi reading...
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Post by AJBryant on Jun 27, 2005 20:26:09 GMT -5
It depends on the name. For example, Fujiwara, Tokugawa, Tanaka, and Yamamoto are all kun'yomi. Saito, Ichijo, and so on are on'yomi. In given names, Iemochi is kun'yomi, and Teika is on'yomi. Now, that being said, Ookami isn't a name. It's an animal (and a not overly highly thought of one). Japanese names are not random nouns. Sorry....  Effingham |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 27, 2005 20:27:47 GMT -5
Oh... I mean when preparing a name for the SCA. I currently go by Ookami, which is the kun-yomi reading of the kanji. I was wondering when you would use the on-yomi reading... We-e-e-ll, keep in mind that most of the people in the SCA will call you what you tell them to call you and they're going to have to read your name in romanji anyway. Two sen worth, M. |
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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 27, 2005 21:23:47 GMT -5
AJBryant, the wolf is very noble animal. It is a guide and teacher. Follow me into this dark woods, and my friends and I will show you...  Makiwara, I understand that, one of my friends goes by Jericho, even though he has yet to be able to register it. I will still use the kanji for a personal badge, I just need to do more name and mon research... |
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Post by AJBryant on Jun 27, 2005 23:23:12 GMT -5
In Japan, it's considered a scavenger and a brute -- albeit a smart one.
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Jun 28, 2005 9:14:45 GMT -5
... the wolf is very noble animal. It is a guide and teacher... Please don't get me wrong, I like wolves myself; but most old world cultures thought of them very poorly. Even the Mongols, while seemingly respectful of them and honoring them in there culture, were not above killing them when they got close. Wolf revrence is a modern element that has snuck into medieval history from fantasy, and Native American culture. If you point to the norse and german-scandinavian fondess of them, they did hold their cunning, ferocity, and ability to work as a team as ideals that should be cultivated in young warriors... However they also did a good job of trying to make them go the way od the do-do. Wolves in their mythology were strong, but frequently on the bad side of the line. Just want to point out, in case you were not aware of it, but the CoA will not allow you to register a badge or device with kanji on it. (not to mention how the heck would you blazon it???  ) If you want to use it without registering it, it should not be a problem, just thought I would give you a heads up. |
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Post by Volk'abe on Jun 28, 2005 11:18:52 GMT -5
hehe. I guess wolves were just ahead of their time... I thought badges were just a personal symbol and didn't ever get registered... Still trying to understand the SCA naming thing. I can go by what I want to be called but if I ever try to do anything official I need a name and symbol that can be approved... Am I close? |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 29, 2005 19:35:11 GMT -5
Have you been here yet? www.sca.org/heraldry/welcome.html has information on how to go about submitting names, devices, etc. Practices vary from kingdom to kingdom. For example, when I lived in the East, I received a scroll at the time of my Award of Arms. My (European) name and device were in submission at that time but had not passed, so the document was issued with a blank area for insertion of a picture and blazon (description in words of the picture) and was not signed by the kingdom principal herald. In the West, they won't issue a scroll unless you have a name and device passed. Registration of Japanese names and devices in the SCA can be a bit of a challenge, but it is doable. Because I developed a European persona first, I have the luxury of not having to if I don't want to, which is why I've been using a nickname for three years. If/when you get to the point where you want to register something, talk to your local heralds about it and ask on the board here. You won't be the first. ;-> M. |
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Post by Solveig Throndardottir on Aug 22, 2005 20:32:48 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! Ok, digging through links... Still confused by some... Which reading of a kanji do we use? On-yomi or kun-yomi? Is the picture attached to your posting intended to be registered with the College of Arms? If so, I should point out that it is unlikely to be registerable quite appart from the use of a glyph which all by itself guarantees rejection. Now then, the real problem for me is that it just doesn't look very much like a Japanese kamon. As much as I dislike the dover reprint of a late 19th century kamon catalogue, it will give you some idea of what the things look like. The major caveat is to go with a simple unified design and to try to avoid using an enclosing circle. While enclosing circles do appear before 1600, they are comparatively rare during the Kamakura period. Further, you should be able to design your kamon without the circle. As for "wolf" as a name. Quite appart from the comic books and the several decades old live action movies, "wolf" is not a paricularly common name in premodern Japan and an isolated animal name is not particularly common as a name form for males in premodern Japan. |
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Post by Solveig Throndardottir on Aug 30, 2005 23:13:11 GMT -5
Wolf revrence is a modern element that has snuck into medieval history from fantasy, and Native American culture. Are you sure about First Nations culture? I'm positive that there is a major place for cayote, but I am not so sure about wolf. Regardless, wolves do not appear to hold in either modern or pre-modern Japan anything like the place that they do in North American popular culture. As already pointed out, there is a wolf in German-Scandinavian mythology and folklore although it is still not exactly beloved. Just want to point out, in case you were not aware of it, but the CoA will not allow you to register a badge or device with kanji on it. (not to mention how the heck would you blazon it??? ) If you want to use it without registering it, it should not be a problem, just thought I would give you a heads up. [/quote] In general, the CoA will not register glyphs or sigils. However, please do not assume that there is a blanket ban on kanji as I believe that some numbers and the kanji for well are registerable. |
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Aug 30, 2005 23:45:30 GMT -5
Wolf revrence is a modern element that has snuck into medieval history from fantasy, and Native American culture. Are you sure about First Nations culture? I'm positive that there is a major place for (coyote), but I am not so sure about wolf. From what I remember from school (ok it was a public school, (and a while ago at that) but being in upstate NY and everything around us either having dutch or Indian names. Native American culture was taught to use pretty heavily, at least the local traditions and history) a good number of Native American tribes/nations viewed wolves as "respectable" in the spiritual sense, i.e., possesing or representitive of a powerful spirt. Though I am sure the same folk didn't look kindly to having their traps looted and their game spooked by hungry and opportunistic wolves either. Also there are some tribes that saw wolves both physically and spiritually as molevolent or just violent. Definantly support that, Heck I wouldn't say wolves are even overly popular here in some areas of NA... just go ask people around major national parks where wolves are being re-introduced. Funny how it seems to be people who don't come in contact with wolves in their daily life that seem to like them best. If that has been changed once again, I appologize, but I seem to recall at one time (laurel preceident?) Kanji specifically was verboten, as well as other sigils and glyphs. True things like Ju (10) would be registerable since it would/could be blazoned as a cross... however you would have to draw and identify it as such on the submission forms, if there was mention of the proposed kanji in the blazon it would probably get tossed by your kingdom review. |
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Post by Please Delete on Sept 1, 2005 22:02:53 GMT -5
From what I remember from school (ok it was a public school, (and a while ago at that) but being in upstate NY and everything around us either having dutch or Indian names. Native American culture was taught to use pretty heavily, at least the local traditions and history) a good number of Native American tribes/nations viewed wolves as "respectable" in the spiritual sense, i.e., possesing or representitive of a powerful spirt. In Alaska, the Tlinget kinship groups are often divided into Raven and Eagle moieties, although some groups divide it by Raven and Wolf (the 'Wolf' appears to be dying out and simply taking on the 'Eagle' name, which has some elders rather upset, apparently). Although Coyote has quite the sway in some cultures, where the wolf is more prevalent it shows up as having many good qualities. This does not apply to Japan, however, where 'ookami' is not a very well-liked character. I believe that it is occassionally used as a derisive epithet, although why exactly escapes me. -Ii |
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