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Post by nissanmaxima on Jan 12, 2006 11:52:34 GMT -5
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Jan 12, 2006 12:09:11 GMT -5
...You know the bad guys from the seven samurai movie? Actualy it could be argued they were the good guys (the 7 samurai) quite likely there was a good number of ronin among the brigands as well but the movie makes the impression that the brigands are simple bandits, while the ronin who are hired by the town are skilled and valued (though unemployed/retained) warriors. Ummmm... Why would you want to be unemployed, tis not a very mercinary thought. The concept of mercinary is a somewhat goofy one for historical japan, but looking at some of the Ikki groups (notably the matchlock regiment that gave Oda such a fit) They did hire themsleves out. Thing is once you are hired you are "in service" and hence not technically a ronin. (though your boss might not wish to acknowledge you as on the payroll) It's a fine line. I love it! the scroll is awesome as well. -Takeda |
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Post by Please Delete on Jan 13, 2006 15:09:43 GMT -5
Actualy it could be argued they were the good guys (the 7 samurai) quite likely there was a good number of ronin among the brigands as well but the movie makes the impression that the brigands are simple bandits, while the ronin who are hired by the town are skilled and valued (though unemployed/retained) warriors. I think I see what you are saying, but I think the real point is that the brigands have become 'ronin' while the 7 'samurai' (Shichinin no Samurai), while they may be unemployed (yes, the technical definition of ronin) have nonetheless kept that warrior spirit that makes them 'samurai' even without a master. -Ii |
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Post by Ishikawa Yoshimasa on Jan 13, 2006 23:44:35 GMT -5
not only where they true to thier values, but they where not unemploied after the farmers hired them... not a highly prestiegious job, but emploied none the less...
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Post by kazuo on Jan 19, 2006 20:48:59 GMT -5
well, being ronin would definitely give one a chance to be defined by one's values instead of one's lord...but then, having a lord is a very samurai thing. i guess i am ronin at this point, at least until i find a unit.  |
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Post by OgamiBusho on Feb 7, 2006 1:09:46 GMT -5
I've always viewed being a ronin as being a bit like masturbation-- everyone has to do it now and then, it's a little embarrassing if you're caught at it, and you don't shake hands with people who brag about it.
But ronin do have their uses. Most of them will eat a bug for a quarter, and that's real entertainment.
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Post by Kitadatetenno on Feb 8, 2006 9:33:42 GMT -5
I've found that those 20 or so minutes at each coronation where I have no one to serve are kinda creepy... (Then again, is a King a ronin? Or just at the top of the chain?)
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Post by Matsuura Suetsune on Feb 9, 2006 6:50:05 GMT -5
Thank you Sir Ogami, I needed a good laugh this morning.
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Post by Ishikawa Yoshimasa on Feb 14, 2006 21:39:04 GMT -5
was not the shogun nominaly in service to the emperor? in a sence you serve the SCA as a whole o-tenno.
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Post by roninpenguin on Mar 1, 2006 20:03:56 GMT -5
I have always thought that if you swear loyalty to the King then you are Samurai to the King and Kingdom. If you view it as you are a visitor to Western Europe then you can always say that you are in service to Emperor back home if you didn't want to be ronin and don't have to listen to that round eye on the throne... :-P
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Post by Anarchopunk on Apr 6, 2007 12:39:48 GMT -5
...You know the bad guys from the seven samurai movie? Actualy it could be argued they were the good guys (the 7 samurai) quite likely there was a good number of ronin among the brigands as well but the movie makes the impression that the brigands are simple bandits, while the ronin who are hired by the town are skilled and valued (though unemployed/retained) warriors. Personally, I thought the movie did a good job of showing that the peasants didn't trust the samurai too much. |
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Apr 6, 2007 13:58:44 GMT -5
True, my understanding is by the start of the Onin war, samurai were not real popular with anyone other than their own caste.
Interesting to note though is in the sceen where Mifune's character breaks down and scolds the samurai for the horrible treatment of the farmers, he then goes on to chew out the farmers for what they are hiding and what they do to the samurai they catch after a battle. It is a pivitol point of the movie, it is realy where the pesants go from sneaky but helpless lackys, to both being capable and accepting the fact that truthfully only the villagers can defend the village from the brigands, that they are in fact responsible for their own destiny, the samurai are only there to help them, not do it for them.
-Takeda
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Post by Tatsuyama Hideyoshi on Apr 6, 2007 18:36:10 GMT -5
I consider myself a visitor to this western world and will act accordingly. IF during my travels i find a house/leader whom i feel would be a good match for my personallity/skills then i will persue a possible position with them. Until then i walk alone.
Tatsuyama Hideyoshi
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