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Post by mitsuhide on Oct 1, 2010 6:33:35 GMT -5
Ii-Dono I agree completely with you, we in Artemisia do allow the wearing of steel to court with and AoA and I was given mine with a tanto from some of my best friends, I wear it more than any single piece of garb even to court.
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Oct 1, 2010 9:13:23 GMT -5
This brings up an interesting question that we all should know no matter what persona you play.
What are the conventions for having swords in your kingdom?
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Post by mitsuhide on Oct 3, 2010 0:43:53 GMT -5
Greeting Eidou dono I agree you really can't say "should I or should I not wear this", with out knowing your kingdom rules and the Knight that said take it off is and was being very rude even by our 21st century standards. I say though that if you can you should. Even one sword to let those around know that this is what you are and stand for.
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Oct 3, 2010 18:12:00 GMT -5
We may also take into account the manner of outfit you are wearing.
It is impractical to wear a kariginu with swords no matter your standing in the same way that it is impractical to wear a sword with a 16th century scholar's robe (as seen in the Holbein portrait sketch of Sir Thomas Moore).
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Post by getsutora on Apr 5, 2011 15:17:47 GMT -5
i tried to write it myself, but ill just quote. "When handing over a sword, the superior person will use one hand, the inferior both. The blade is always properly oriented (i.e.; for a tachi, edge down; for a katana, edge up). A superior person grasps the sword palm down on the scabbard, near the middle, and hands it over horizontally; the recipient receives it in both open palms, one at the hilt and one near the foot. If an inferior hands one over, it is palms up, under the hilt and foot; the recipient grasps it, palm down, at the center-point. This is similar for all weapons, as well, be they firearms, spears, or blades." "When sitting or kneeling indoors — especially as a guest — one should remove the sword from his sash and place it along his right side, edge in. This makes the sword inconvenient to get to and draw, and shows the proper respect. A great way to deliver a not-so-subtle insult (”I don’t trust you; I could kill you, you know.”) is to remove the sword from your obi but lie it on the floor on your left side, edge out. This is positioned for an easy draw. The key to a respectful attitude with swords is to indicate that it would be difficult to draw, cut, or otherwise defend oneself, while the other person would find it easy to attack." from www.sengokudaimyo.com/miscellany/miscellany.htmlunder etiquette. Greetings all, I am a member of the SCA-JML list, but not on here. I wanted to comment to concur that it seems to be a reign-by-reign issue. This last weekend I was part of royal retinue when the Shire of Mountain's Edge here in An Tir was graced with TRM at the Defender Tourney. As a previous Defender, I was requested to be up front in court, and myself as well as the current Rapier Defender were both wearing swords (neither of which are symbols of office like the Heavy and Combat Archery Defender's regalia has). Also, to note, this matches etiquette for swords as observed in Kendo as well, which is supposed to be in direct lineage with sword training from period time, so makes sense for the shinai, bokuto and iaito to use similar etiquette that the original sharp swords did.
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Post by Suzuki Ken'ichi on Apr 5, 2011 23:19:13 GMT -5
I am no longer Herald of the Barony of Tir Ysgithr, but had the honor of holding that position for most of the reign of the preceding Baron and Baroness. So I have orchestrated a fair number of courts, and have some thoughts on this matter, which I hope you will be patient enough to hear.
First: The SCA court is an act of theater. It is put on by the people on the thrones, and the people they have appointed to help them, in order to help all those attending experience a part of the "magic" we all got roped into the SCA for, and which we all keep coming back for.
Second: In most courts I've seen, the herald is the stage manager. Don't surprise the stage manager, it's not polite. It makes their job harder, and that can potentially reduce the magic for everyone. If you have questions about how things are done in this court, see the herald outside of court and ask.
More than once, if someone approached me about something, and it seemed to me a good bit of stage business, or if it would positively affect their experience without negatively effecting someone else's, I'd say, "Yeah, sure, and if anyone hassles you about it, tell 'em Bjorn said you could."
Fortunately, I had a very good relationship with my B&B, and I could say things like that.
With all of that said, though, remember that Heralds are mortal, though some of us like to pretend that we're all knowing and wise. When you approach the herald, have a clear understanding of what you want. I suggest something like this:
"Oh Mighty Herald," (okay, I'm teasing about that part), "I am newly come to these lands, and wish to discuss court attendance with you. Where I am from, it is customary for a person of my social class to wear swords outdoors, but to remove them from the belt while actually sitting, placing them in a difficult-to-draw position. May I observe this custom in the court of your land?"
At this point, one of three things will happen:
1) The herald will shrug, say, "Yeah, sure," and everything will be good.
2) A detailed discussion of Japanese sword ettiquite might ensue, which both of you will enjoy, and the herald will learn from, possibly giving the herald a better understanding of where you're coming from, which may still lead back to 1), or may lead to:
3) The herald may look pained, and explain that swords are not worn in court here, unless you have X, Y, or Z, and please don't.
In this third case, it is imperative that you be the good guest, and follow the local custom, even if that means you must skip court. Remember, there are very few of us who play Japanese persona in the SCA, and that means that every experience with someone in Japanese garb weighs heavier in the minds of those we encounter than a similar experience with someone in Medieval European garb.
Good luck to you, and I am truly sorry that you experienced asshattery at Estrella. Most of the Sun's Kingdom is not like that.
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Post by Miyamoto Takezo on Apr 14, 2011 2:46:41 GMT -5
Well, as a Ronin on the Musha Shugyo, I'm always looking for a decent challenge. If a Knight were to ask me to remove my sword in such an insulting manner, he would find a sign post outside his camp with a request for duel written on it at the next camping event. Then we would duel over this matter and that would be the end of it. It would never be brought up again after the duel, regardless of who was the victor.
Very period, very fun and a good way to resolve matters.
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