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Post by Imagawa Tadamori on Jun 30, 2009 20:19:20 GMT -5
In this video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKWIMQGqdWw - most of the musicians are wearing a black garment that (for lack of a better description) looks like modern body armor. I am going to make the intuitive leap that it is designed to keep one's clothing out of the way of the bachi while playing, but I am not a taiko musician... Ok, question number two (I just thought of this one)... what is the Japanese word for one who plays taiko? - Imagawa |
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Post by bovil on Jun 30, 2009 21:22:57 GMT -5
Looks more like aprons to me... |
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Post by solveig on Jun 30, 2009 21:37:12 GMT -5
Noble Cousin!
Greetings from Solveig! First of all, there is nothing particularly unique or special about playing taiko in Japan. Drum playing is associated with children to some extent, and a lot of children learn to play taiko in elementary school. I suppose that if you really want to make up a word for taiko players you might call them 太鼓家 taikoka. This seems a bit more likely to me than using either a 人 jin or 者 sha suffix. People who practice tea are sometimes called 茶人 chajin. People who practice kendō are often called 剣道家 kendōka.
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Jul 1, 2009 0:00:07 GMT -5
yeah, I'm banking on aprons too.
Solveig, it occurs to me, that most "doers" that take the ka suffix tend to be doing a "do". i.e.: kendoka, iaidoka, kyudoka. I wonder if the the "jin" or "sha", or perhaps even "shi" might be more appropriate. I'm not entirely sure one way or the other, and I can see your point.
Example: When I was in Japan, we missionaries were "Senkyoushi", or 'teachers of the way' and we would...senkyou..suru (note the difference from senkyo suru 'to vote'). Also we called our investigators "kyudousha". I realize that my example relies on religous vocablary, but I presume you understand the grammatical principle.
Although, as I think about it, it also occurs to me that that tea cermeony art can be referred to as Chadou, but they don't call them "chadoka". Perhaps you're right.
So far I think taikoka sounds cooler than taikosha and both sound a lot better than taikojin.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jul 1, 2009 0:07:08 GMT -5
In this video - www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKWIMQGqdWw - most of the musicians are wearing a black garment that (for lack of a better description) looks like modern body armor. I am going to make the intuitive leap that it is designed to keep one's clothing out of the way of the bachi while playing, but I am not a taiko musician... It's called a haragake and it is an apron, usually worn with momoshiki, a narrow legged sort of trousers. www.shop-japan.co.jp/english-boku/festival5.htm No "protective" purpose whatsoever, I suspect it harks back to peasant/folkwear roots. Unless you're male and fit, they look completely dorky and I am profoundly grateful that my sensei probably will never try to make me wear one. THIS I could live with, however: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZjwQH-UdikJunkie? Just got my hit for the week. No, you wanted the Japanese: Uchite (oo-chee-teh) is the term I'm familiar with. |
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Post by Please Delete on Jul 1, 2009 4:01:25 GMT -5
Uchite--a person who hits things.  Perfect for students of the smackitty fan as well!  -Ii |
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Jul 1, 2009 9:17:36 GMT -5
Ah yes, that makes good sense.
Uchi from the verb "Utsu" - to hit, also used for 'to fire' (as a gun), not to be confused with "uchi" - within.
Te- I'd wager meaning 'hand' without seeing the kanji. This same hand kanji can also imply a helper, as with "karite" - a reaper or harvest hand.
In case anyone finds this etymology interesting.
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Post by Imagawa Tadamori on Jul 1, 2009 14:11:45 GMT -5
Junkie? Just got my hit for the week. No, you wanted the Japanese: Uchite (oo-chee-teh) is the term I'm familiar with. Arigato, Saionji-hime. YouTube responds with "The video you requested contains a malformed video ID." - Imagawa |
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Post by Yagyu Jubei Takemori on Jul 1, 2009 16:37:34 GMT -5
You often see drummers wearing the old blacksmiths apron/smock like thing, this I beleive is due to the only dude in town all the time that could beat a drum for a while would be the smith, though this is my 5 cents and most of if is what I have deduced from my own reaserch.
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Post by bovil on Jul 1, 2009 20:21:22 GMT -5
You often see drummers wearing the old blacksmiths apron/smock like thing, this I beleive is due to the only dude in town all the time that could beat a drum for a while would be the smith, though this is my 5 cents and most of if is what I have deduced from my own reaserch. Taiko as practiced today is a modern art form (as in jazz-influenced), not a historical one. Taiko costumes vary greatly. The apron style is only one, and not necessarily even the most common. From what I've seen, they tend to be derivative of many different traditional festival costume styles. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jul 2, 2009 0:34:31 GMT -5
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Post by Bun'ami on Aug 17, 2009 21:15:55 GMT -5
You often see drummers wearing the old blacksmiths apron/smock like thing, this I beleive is due to the only dude in town all the time that could beat a drum for a while would be the smith, though this is my 5 cents and most of if is what I have deduced from my own reaserch. Historically, taiko played for long periods of time were usually played by men and boys, playing the same rhythm over and over and over and over..., during festivals. As time progressed, some would stop playing when they got tired while others would step in to fill the empty slot. In period examples, the players wore hakama (some full, others short or knee length, some with legs tie at shin) and yukata/kosode with the sleeves tied back. I have yet to see this apron that modern taiko wear in period examples. If anyone has such examples, I'd love to see it. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Aug 17, 2009 23:45:20 GMT -5
In period examples, the players wore hakama (some full, others short or knee length, some with legs tie at shin) and yukata/kosode with the sleeves tied back. I have yet to see this apron that modern taiko wear in period examples. If anyone has such examples, I'd love to see it. Sources please? Always looking for new stuff! |
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