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Post by AJBryant on Jan 16, 2010 0:39:49 GMT -5
That's okay. I'm a mean old fart. But cuddly.
I serve the board's need for a crusty but lovable curmudgeon.
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Post by cygnus on Jan 16, 2010 1:28:39 GMT -5
Would people who were assigned ashigaru status elevated enough to be quote-unquote "nobility"? Well, Toyotomi Hideyoshi went from being Oda Nobunaga's sandal bearer to being one of the most powerful men in Japan. It was after the rise of the Tokugawa Shogunate that the social mobility of peasants was legally hamstrung (by Hideyoshi himself, him memory serves). Since that didn't happen until after 1600, I think SCA Ashigaru can move up the social ranks (even if it was a historical rarity). |
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Post by Lash on Jan 16, 2010 10:41:38 GMT -5
makiwara-danae Not even 2 posts ago on the estrella thread you asked why everyone was so intimidated by you!!!!! uuuuuuhhhh !!!!! THERE!!!!!  |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jan 16, 2010 11:27:47 GMT -5
makiwara-danae Not even 2 posts ago on the estrella thread you asked why everyone was so intimidated by you!!!!!  I'm only mean when given just cause, though.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAq2ZY-LujA(BTW, feel free to wince at the costumes!) |
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Post by AJBryant on Jan 16, 2010 21:56:33 GMT -5
BWA HA HA HA HA!!
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jan 17, 2010 0:25:09 GMT -5
BWAHAHAHAH yourself, Monkey Boy. I got to hold in my dainty hands an actual 18th century Japanese teppo (matchlock musket) that belongs to a friend of mine who is makes reproduction historical firearms and with whom I occasionally get to be an English Civil War camp follower. It may have been an Edo period piece, but the design and firing mechanism did not change substantially from the 16th century weapons that the Japanese adopted after contact with the Portuguese - and put in the hands of their ashigaru. (See? This post is actually related to the thread. Sorta.) Beautiful wooden stock, sleek, simple and surprisingly heavy for its size. I fear I did squee. A little.... |
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Post by AJBryant on Jan 17, 2010 11:03:45 GMT -5
The squee was more than justified.  |
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Post by Yamamoto Morikazu on Jan 17, 2010 22:08:02 GMT -5
ok here are the reasons why i am doing this project.
1) there are a lot of little kids in our group as of late. I am trying to get them interested in fighting more as they are in the boffer program (foam swords) and they will soon be graduating to heavy status soon. SO with that said. I want them to feel VERY welcome among our group. And I want them to look really cool while they are helping me. These kids got the biggest kick out of carrying my weapons to the battle field the other night. Their father said that is all they talked about for the two hour ride home.
2) i want to get real fighters in good looking armor quick by making some as loaner armor.
3) i need an entourage !!
4) doesnt every samurai need some helpers ?
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Jan 18, 2010 10:02:46 GMT -5
Hey Effingham,
Do you recall the youth combat armor that Padruig McTavish made for his son? Red metal with bluish lacing? There's a sight to be seen. I shall have to ask if he has any more pictures handy.
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Post by Rokurou on Jan 18, 2010 10:25:34 GMT -5
Yamamoto-dono,
One question that hasn't been asked yet. How many suits of armor are you looking at needing?
If your looking at getting kids involved in moving up to heavy fighting, why not make them a part of the armor building process. Personally (after knowing how many suits are needed), I would build sukage odoshi armor that has plates instead of scales, and a basic 8 plate or zunari kabuto. All the other pieces would follow the idea that the armor is for an ashigaru, but still provide enough protection since the kids wound be making the transition to heavy fighting. As far as making them a part of the process, ask them what they like and have armor building days (or weekends) to get it done. What ever you decide to do will take a while and not be quick and easy. My kabuto alone took two weekends to build, alone (working a good 8 hours each day) and my armor took about a month, from concept to posterboard mock-up to final (and then I still made modifications along the way to fix problem areas).
To answer your recent questions,
1) I think I just answered that one. It will not be quick, especially if you want them to look good.
2) An entourage would be cool.
3) Yes, samurai did have helpers, they were called a Page (squire). Sorry didn't look up the Japanese word for Page.
I hope this helps,
Date Rokurou Yoshimitsu
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Post by AJBryant on Jan 19, 2010 2:16:43 GMT -5
Do you recall the youth combat armor that Padruig McTavish made for his son? Red metal with bluish lacing? There's a sight to be seen. I shall have to ask if he has any more pictures handy. Oh, yeah. It was quite spiff. And I have frequently called Japanese support staff "frunkies."  Effingham |
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Post by Yamamoto Morikazu on Jan 19, 2010 8:54:05 GMT -5
Well since they will be part of the boffer program for a few more years. I think I will start with jingsa (spelling?) and some body armor for events. Just a do with plates sewn into it out of plastic. I get barrel plastic for free so it doesnt matter if they grow out of it and need real armor later.
Did ashigaru ever use single piece Do ? Id lie to make it in one piece for simplicity sake. Quick and dirty. But i want it somewhat correct.
sunate I think I will just make some out of plastic as well. As it is free. same with arm guards. I was going to use leather but that cost money. Since they are not my kids Im not spending much on em.
Any ideas for materials for a decent looking jingsa for these kids. It doesnt have to be SCA legal as of yet. and they cant wear it during boffer. So really it will be only for events and when they are my support (here kid carry my weapons, give me water, etc)
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jan 19, 2010 19:31:46 GMT -5
Any ideas for materials for a decent looking jingsa for these kids. It doesnt have to be SCA legal as of yet. and they cant wear it during boffer. What about leather ones which could be fitted over the youth-legal helmets they have to wear? A friend of mine does gorgeous youth helms out of water-hardened leather. However, if you use a stiff enough hide, you may not even have to wet it. www.personal.utulsa.edu/~Marc-Carlson/leather/hl.html#cb2 lists various techniques for hardening leather. Ed uses the baking method. I wish I had some pictures of the Norse kid's helmet. Or even the Norman flat top. |
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Post by AJBryant on Jan 20, 2010 7:23:09 GMT -5
Did ashigaru ever use single piece Do ? Id lie to make it in one piece for simplicity sake. Quick and dirty. But i want it somewhat correct. Oh, heck, yeah. Basic hotoke do and okegawa do are classic ashigaru fodder. Want to be even *more* ashigaru? Just use the front (a maekake dô) and it *screams* ashigaru armour. |
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Post by Yamamoto Morikazu on Jan 20, 2010 9:47:05 GMT -5
so i have to pump these out very quickly.
i need to make two full suits by Feb 13th.
time to get cracking.
the leather jingsa sounds like a fantastic idea to start with. especially for the kids helmets which are already lacrosse helmets. easy, quick and thumpable.
if only i had another month. damn.
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