Saionji Shonagon
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Bedding
Oct 16, 2010 20:15:30 GMT -5
Post by Saionji Shonagon on Oct 16, 2010 20:15:30 GMT -5
Does anyone have any information on bedding and pillows pre-1600? I keep stumbling across Edo period (and later) items called "yogi" which are kimono-form robes used as coverlets, which leads me to believe people were sleeping under their own clothes at some point.
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Nov 2, 2010 2:53:18 GMT -5
The Tale of Genji and several paintings seem to support this fact possibility.
Edit: (Apologies for being too presumptuous)
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Bedding
Nov 2, 2010 19:31:58 GMT -5
Post by Please Delete on Nov 2, 2010 19:31:58 GMT -5
I concur. Sleeping beneath robes (usually hitoe style robes, at least for women) is what I've seen mentioned, and what I've seen depicted in painting or historical drama. Pillows are typically wood or clay, and are similar throughout Asia, being blocks with a depression for laying one's head. I've seen some films that have used straw-filled round pillows for peasants, but I don't know about the veracity of such a thing. I'm also not sure if they would have added any padding to the pillow blocks.
-Ii
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Bedding
Nov 19, 2010 14:50:55 GMT -5
Post by Sugawara Suzushime on Nov 19, 2010 14:50:55 GMT -5
Since I just finished a read-through of the Pillow Book, I still remember Shonagon mentioning a woman using a "faded" robe for her bedclothes. It made me think that perhaps Heian women were mainly using clothing that was on the outs to sleep in.
I had also seen an idea that "pillow book" might have come from wooden pillows with a container large enough for a book. I think that speculation was one of Ivan Morris's endnotes.
I don't know if that helps. I'm going through the book again to make notes on something else and can post something more specific on these when I run across them again, if that would be useful.
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Saionji Shonagon
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Nov 19, 2010 16:46:41 GMT -5
Post by Saionji Shonagon on Nov 19, 2010 16:46:41 GMT -5
Yes, yes, but I have to wonder when the transition occurred from sleeping under a pile of one's clothes to sleeping under a clothing-shaped quilt specifically for sleeping under. I suspect it's an Edo period development....
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Nov 19, 2010 18:10:07 GMT -5
Post by Saionji Shonagon on Nov 19, 2010 18:10:07 GMT -5
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