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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2014 16:50:16 GMT -5
For those of you who were unable to attend my class at Pennsic on the wearing of Suikan Sugata and construction of the Suikan, the PDF of my handouts can be downloaded here - www.ee0r.com/sca/wafuku/suikanandsocanyou.pdfI also wore the Suikan Sugata while teaching as a visual aid to demonstrate details. If I ever do this class again, I'll get video. This was a one hour class. Please email me directly with any questions or comments.
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Post by tanuki on Nov 5, 2014 22:15:01 GMT -5
I just have to say domo arigato gozaimasu Ishiyama-dono. Your pdf is helping me quite a lot. It's amazing now, after taking a break from Japanese stuff how complicated I made things, versus what they really are. Your document has been most helpful
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2014 5:34:56 GMT -5
I just have to say domo arigato gozaimasu Ishiyama-dono. Your pdf is helping me quite a lot. It's amazing now, after taking a break from Japanese stuff how complicated I made things, versus what they really are. Your document has been most helpful Glad to help clarify! In the interests of full disclosure, however, I need to mention that there are a few minor errors in that document that I need to fix.
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Post by onieyes on May 13, 2015 13:28:43 GMT -5
Hello, Some months ago I stumbled upon this forum while searching for some info about Suikan. This thread inspired me to make a Suikan myself. I'm not into Cosplay, nor SCA or reenactment, but I get madly inspired by the japanese costume history in general. I probably have made some mistakes with this pattern, and the choice fabric is absolutely not 'period' at all. (its synthetic silklook fabric with plasticgold thread, I lined it with my old cotton curtain and i used some curtaincord and normal laces as supplies, stuffed the hemline with felt), all stuff had in home because I was too busy to go out for supplies at the time. I also made a matching cotton hitoe (or naga-juban?) with the same size sleeves. I made a stamp from a big erasor and stamped the hitoe with moths in blue textile paint. All in all i think I have made it a bit too girly. . Although I have never worn it, it was a fun project. Here some pictures: I want to thank everyone contributing to this forum and spreading the inspiring research on this forum. If anyone has some feedback on this project I'd be happy to hear it!
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Post by onieyes on May 13, 2015 17:46:52 GMT -5
I got home from work and decided to try the set on and make some pictures of the whole outfit. the undergarment: undergarment close-up. I randomly stamped the bugs, there's no pattern at all. full tenue (without hakama). As you can see it still needs a hakama. I want to make the hakama long, with straps wich you fasten under the knee. I'd like to dye the hakama in some kind of gradation, from white to blue or red; somewhat like a Kemari tenue. I have always wanted to try dip-dyeing fabric. after I have finished the hakama I will add the pompom-things. Thats kind of the hardest part; what are they made of? and what kind of colors should I use for the pompoms? Was there a rule about that?
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Post by Please Delete on May 13, 2015 19:45:31 GMT -5
Looks spiff! Very nicely done! The poms (kikutoji) are made of thread. They are wrapped around a form, and you can see pictures that should illustrate it pretty well here: ameblo.jp/is-island/entry-11199651528.html. BTW, you should know that they are flat, not spherical. That isn't always apparent if you don't see them up close. -Ii
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Post by onieyes on May 14, 2015 10:56:40 GMT -5
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on May 15, 2015 10:45:00 GMT -5
Have you SEEN Heian textiles. "Girly" doesn't matter. Nice job!
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 20:54:27 GMT -5
I got home from work and decided to try the set on and make some pictures of the whole outfit. Looks great! Nice work. Most pictures I have seen of the suikan being worn show the front body portion bloused out a bit so that it hangs down, covering the obi. I tie the obi, then put my hands inside the chest portion and push out a bit to create the blousing. These are usually called "sashinuki". I don't know of any rules regarding color choices, but it seems like there are usually two different colors, and all the pairs of kikutoji are the same, such as "green over white". I use lace-weight silk yarn. It's a bit heavier than thread, so it only takes ~250 threads per kikutoji instead of ~400. A good substitute for silk would be polyester or rayon embroidery thread.
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Post by Lash on May 18, 2015 0:52:04 GMT -5
FREAKINAWSOME!!! YES THATS ONE WORD!!
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Post by onieyes on May 19, 2015 4:57:39 GMT -5
super thanks for all the feedback and tips! If i finish the Sashinuki and add the Kikutoji i will make photo's again.
Arigatou gozaimashita!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 11:26:02 GMT -5
I bought the fabric for this probably about two years ago, but only just got around to dedicating the time to making it: My second kariginu ever (first one was 2011, eep!) and my first in silk. It's a lightweight brocade that the store told me was 100% silk, though with that metallic thread in there I have my doubts. I bought this at a fabric store in NYC that was supposedly going out of business, so it was very affordable. I think I paid more for the lining fabric than for the shell fabric. This garment is fully lined, in a plain weave lightweight silk. The sleeve cords were hand braided on a marudai from cellulose yarn, and yes they are different color combinations (one is predominantly dark and the other is predominantly light). They are affixed to the sleeves with "belt loops" made of the same brocade fabric as the shell. The collar cord was hand braided on the marudai from silk yarn. I didn't have any matching yarn left, so I went for the high-contrast look in red and gold, the colors of the order of the Fleur d'Aethelmearc. Linings are a pain. Did you know, however, that you can actually evert the sleeve through the unstitched six inches that will be used to attach the sleeve to the body? What an inside-out toroidal lined sleeve looks like will be a major point of the class I will eventually teach in making these. Anyway, I am pretty happy with the way this turned out. I won't get a good chance to wear this for another few months, though.
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Post by Please Delete on Jan 29, 2017 17:36:51 GMT -5
Very nice! I love the way you did the loops and the ties on the end. On the loop and knot at the neck, any thing particular about your color choice, or just what you had on-hand? Linings a pain. Did you know, however, that you can actually evert the sleeve through the unstitched six inches that will be used to attach the sleeve to the body? What an inside-out toroidal lined sleeve looks like will be a major point of the class I will eventually teach in making these. Yeah, I did that for some of the Nara period clothing--it seems common in what I've seen in Jidai Ishou for those garments. It is a wonderfully, almost counter-intuitive, technique. -Ii
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jan 30, 2017 9:54:51 GMT -5
Nice work, as always. LOVE the color.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 17:46:31 GMT -5
Very nice! I love the way you did the loops and the ties on the end. Thanks! Each loop is a 2"x2.5" rectangle folded into quarters with the ends tucked in; just like I make himo only on a smaller scale. Yes, it took me a while to do all two dozen of these.I didn't have the silk on hand to match the fabric, and didn't want to just make the ties from fabric (though that would have been fine from an accuracy standpoint). I have plenty of silk that would have been low-contrast to the fabric, but I decided to just be a little gaudy and go high contrast. I'm in the order of the Fleur, and had a belt hanger for that sitting out, so I decided to use those colors. In Aethelmearc, we use those colors for a lot of our awards. Do they mean something that I'm not aware of? Yes. To make a horizontally-oriented torus, you make a vertically-oriented torus and evert it. It's intuitive if you realize that the hole contained inside a hollow torus is at right angles to the hole surrounded by the torus.
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