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Post by Please Delete on Dec 24, 2012 11:51:57 GMT -5
I'll be sure to use Kintarou in the future. Thank you! As for my nanori... glancing at this, 明 is on the list of Nanori, though romanized as "Aki." 明 Akira and 明 Aki both have the same meaning, kanji and only differ slightly in pronunciation. I'm not entirely against using 明 Aki if need be, but I fear for confusion with 秋 Aki. As mentioned, don't worry about the kanji--that is not going to be registered with the college, and it is a period problem. The main thing about the nanori is that, except in some very rare circumstances, the name should be constructed of at least two elements on that list. Some examples might be: Hiroaki, Yasuaki, Masaaki, Akimasa, Akihira, etc. FWIW, we do have a surname that is "Kira". The rest of the name looks good, though, and I think you would be able to get that passed. The mon is difficult; I recommend doing a search on "kamon" and seeing what comes back; you'll get lots of examples. Not all of them are period, but they still give you the feel for what kamon look like, and most can be created with medieval rules. If you want to do something more western, there are lots of options. What you have is probably: Per saltire argent and sable, a pile overall a pile inverted counterchanged (check with your local heralds, as I've been out of practice with blazons for way too long). I don't know how that would go over with the heralds, mainly because of the pile on a pile (that is the really thin triangle that goes almost to the top or bottom). Per saltire (basically dividing the field with an "X") is quite doable, and the pile is woefully underused, imho. If you want something that evokes the Takeda** (and if it isn't taken already) try this: Argent, four rustres in cross* sable:  (ignore the circle going around... you don't need that) If there is something about your original design that you really like, let us know and we can see what we can do. -Ii * I believe the famous Takeda crest, which is just four diamonds together, has been taken, but even if it hasn't, there are a lot of lozenges in cross out there, and I don't know how easy it would be to get it passed today. **conjoined in cross? |
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Post by Please Delete on Dec 24, 2012 12:08:27 GMT -5
Actually, sorry, I just realized the one I posted was four mascles, not four rustres, though I could swear I've seen both... that was just smaller when I looked at it.
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Post by solveig on Dec 24, 2012 16:58:48 GMT -5
Noble Cousin!
Greetings from Solveig! While circles around designs can be found in a few early kamon, they are really a later period and post-period sort of thing. So, please please please consider: Argent, four mascles in cross sable
You can also color the thing blue or red if one of those colors appeals to you more than black does. You should of course register it in the color you plan on using.
Red would be: Argent four mascles in cross gules
Blue would be: Argent four mascles in cross azure
Putting the thing inside of a ring is doable, it just isn't as striking or as evocative of the Takeda. Regardless, you would blazon it as follows:
Black would be: Argent within an anulus four mascles in cross sable
Red would be: Argent within an anulus four mascles in cross gules
Blue would be: Argent within an anulus four mascles in cross azure
A rustre has a circular hole and just doesn't work as well. It is also considerably rarer than a mascle.
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Post by Sō Haruko on Dec 25, 2012 10:54:33 GMT -5
*points at her user icon* Already registered.
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Post by Please Delete on Dec 25, 2012 12:34:20 GMT -5
Did you register it with the annulet or without? I suspect that a few points of differences could be found to allow it to pass.
-Ii
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Post by Sō Haruko on Dec 26, 2012 0:34:48 GMT -5
With the annulet. Rokurou-danna also has it registered with a ... dang, I forget. Whatever the border is that takes the shape of the field it is on.
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Post by solveig on Dec 26, 2012 3:18:54 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! With the annulet. Rokurou-danna also has it registered with a ... dang, I forget. Whatever the border is that takes the shape of the field it is on. It's called a "border". But, Rokurou doesn't appear to have it registered It's possible to avoid conflict by removing the circle and changing the color. |
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Post by Sakakibara Daitarou Akitou on Dec 26, 2012 3:32:48 GMT -5
I'm going to throw some given names out and maybe you guys can tell me which ones fit the period. I'm finding very little (if any) reference material for period Japanese given names in English. I know a few of these don't fit the four-syllable pattern, but maybe I'll get lucky. I know far too many modern names, but I can't find a way to trace them back. Akihito, Akito, Kazuto, Kojirou, Kotarou, Kouichi, Masaaki, Nobusada, Shizuo. Holy cow! The device stuff has my head spinning. Specifically, the terminology and stuff. However, I'm definitely open to ideas being thrown at me. I really don't have any idea what I would like to register as a device and the Takeda idea came from my original intent to use Takeda as my surname. As far as devices go, something that resembles a geometric kamon is plenty fine by me. I find them a bit easier to replicate (like on a haori or sashimono, etc...) for someone like me with poor artistic skills. This one below was always a favorite of mine (for some reason) but I figured it'd already been taken.  |
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Post by solveig on Dec 26, 2012 4:13:21 GMT -5
Noble Cousin!
Greetings from Solveig! Your list of names includes both names which are yobina and names that are nanori. You should have one of each. Incidentally, Kojirou, Kotarou, Kouichi appear to be yobina. Akihito is a wonderful nanori if you happen to be the emperor of Japan. Shizou is most likely modern. Masaaki and Nobusada both sound like nanori. In particular, Nobusada dates to the 14th century or earlier and appears on page 350 of NCMJ Rev. Ed. which is on the no-photocopy list which means that that is all you have to tell the College of Arms to get Nobusada through.
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Post by Sō Haruko on Dec 26, 2012 10:45:16 GMT -5
Hmm, that's weird. I will need to check with my local herald, as I thought we had gotten his registered. Thank you, Solveig.
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Post by Sakakibara Daitarou Akitou on Dec 26, 2012 13:13:23 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! Your list of names includes both names which are yobina and names that are nanori. You should have one of each. Incidentally, Kojirou, Kotarou, Kouichi appear to be yobina. Akihito is a wonderful nanori if you happen to be the emperor of Japan. Shizou is most likely modern. Masaaki and Nobusada both sound like nanori. In particular, Nobusada dates to the 14th century or earlier and appears on page 350 of NCMJ Rev. Ed. which is on the no-photocopy list which means that that is all you have to tell the College of Arms to get Nobusada through. I think I see the issue, now, with Kojirou, Kotarou and Kouichi. (ko/go/five). Haha, this is quite difficult! Seems I can't just skim through here and grab names that I think might fit. I'll throw some more out that come directly out of SengokuDaimyo's list of nanori. I'm deliberately trying to avoid nanori of easily recognizable historical figures while still maintaining my image of "cool." Akihiko (instead of hito), Haruyuki, Hironobu, Kagenobu, Kazuharu, Kazuyuki, Kiyosuke, Yukiteru I'm having a hard time finding something that really resonates with me and is also within the guidelines. Also, I want to pick something that I feel like I can stand behind and not something I chose simply because it works. So, please forgive me if I keep flinging names out. Once I have a handful of names that will work, I can sit and try to settle one on. |
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Post by solveig on Dec 26, 2012 15:44:28 GMT -5
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Post by Sakakibara Daitarou Akitou on Dec 26, 2012 21:47:22 GMT -5
That is exactly what I needed! Many thanks! Now that things seem to be narrowed down... What about Sakakibara Kintarou Akitou? Final analysis, criticisms, suggestions, someone to say, "Yep, that'll do," etc...? |
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Post by Sō Haruko on Jan 15, 2013 16:58:43 GMT -5
Just a quick followup to an earlier comment: Rokurou-danna is actually registered as follows: Sable, in cross four mascles within an orle argent oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=21404Sakakibara-dono, your family name and nanori seem fine, but I can't find any documentation in Solveig-hime's book for "Kintarou" as a yobina. Edited to add: the reason I mention this is that in Caid, Solveig-hime's book is basically the bible for period Japanese names. If it's not in there, you don't get to use it. Take a printout of this thread to your herald if you need to. (: |
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Post by solveig on Jan 15, 2013 18:51:12 GMT -5
Noble Cousins! Greetings from Solveig! Edited to add: the reason I mention this is that in Caid, Solveig-hime's book is basically the bible for period Japanese names. If it's not in there, you don't get to use it. Take a printout of this thread to your herald if you need to. (: One of the reasons that NCMJ is so big is that it is intended to help people invent names not just choose them from a list. Unfortunately, some heralds don't get beyond the choosing names from a list stage. Kintarou 金太郎 is the name of a legendary figure. The real risk is that people might think that you have decided to call yourself with a Japanese equivalent of "Paul Bunyan". So be prepared to prove your mettle. Unfortunately, the KIN reading for 金 did not make it into NCMJ so I'm afraid that there is a bit of a problem in documenting Kintarou. Sorry about that. All of that said, I am inclined to support Kintarou as a yobina. |
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