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Post by Miura Suzume on Jan 8, 2017 17:53:17 GMT -5
I now have a gourd ready for carrying about as a canteen. The only problem is, I'm not sure how to actually wrap it up so that its own weight doesn't snap the cord I plan to make. I can't seem to find any art or such of how, exactly, the suito were wrapped and carried.
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Post by Please Delete on Jan 8, 2017 20:34:07 GMT -5
How do you mean? If it is the typical shape, you should be able to wrap a cord around the "waist" between the two bulges. A reasonable cord shouldn't snap, so I'm not sure what you are thinking.
-Ii
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Post by Miura Suzume on Jan 10, 2017 7:56:21 GMT -5
I suppose it would be a matter of knowing what a "reasonable" cord actually entails as far as thickness. I had bought some hemp to do some kumihimo and then realized the resultsnt cord might end up too thin. There are also pictures I've seen of the cord wrapped in a cross-hatch pattern around the base of the gourd, but I can't find any culture source on that. If it should only be wrapped around the neck of the gourd, then around the neck it shall be!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 10:53:52 GMT -5
I suppose it would be a matter of knowing what a "reasonable" cord actually entails as far as thickness. I had bought some hemp to do some kumihimo and then realized the resultsnt cord might end up too thin. There are also pictures I've seen of the cord wrapped in a cross-hatch pattern around the base of the gourd, but I can't find any culture source on that. If it should only be wrapped around the neck of the gourd, then around the neck it shall be! I've seen that netting around the bottom of the gourd, but the binding on the neck is way more common. What equipment are you using for kumihimo? If you're using a disc, a 16-strand kongou-gumi (spiral braid) is almost as easy as an 8-strand kongou-gumi. If you're using a marudai, you can just use more cords per strand. For my suito-cords, I guess the strength would depend on how heavy your starting cord is. I mostly use lace-weight silk on my marudai, but even my 16-strand braids will tend to have 6 ore more threads per strand. Anyway, the thing that bothers me about most of the gourd bindings I've seen is that the cord typically starts out wrapped around the neck of the gourd, then passes through the stopper, continuing on up as a carry strap. It always seems to me like that would put too much leverage on the stopper. I prefer to start out the cord on the stopper, then bind the cord to the gourd. That is a 9-strand braid with only two cords per strand, but I think each is the heavier cotton crochet cord.
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Post by Miura Suzume on Jan 10, 2017 12:46:02 GMT -5
I'll be using a disc, since I'm going to need to carry it around to work with me. I'll look up the kongou-gumi pattern and get it set up ahead of time. The hemp I have is .8mm, but I suppose if even the sixteen-strand cord is too thin, I can always make a few of those and braid them together as well?
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Post by Miura Suzume on Jan 10, 2017 12:54:11 GMT -5
For the record, this is the gourd I'm using. I doubt I'll ever actually keep it filled that much, but it does hold a full quart of water, which is the sole reason I'm worried about cord strength.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 10:16:03 GMT -5
For the record, this is the gourd I'm using. I doubt I'll ever actually keep it filled that much, but it does hold a full quart of water, which is the sole reason I'm worried about cord strength. I know it feels like a lot when you've been carrying it around for a few hours, but a quart of water is really only two pounds. If you are really worried, braid a round hollow braid like edo yatsu gumi around a core of nylon rope.
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Post by Please Delete on Jan 11, 2017 18:32:00 GMT -5
Another consideration: you could just make rope. Kumihimo is great for cords, but there is also just plain twisted rope out of a variety of materials, and that strikes me as what would be best for something like this.
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Post by glenn on Jan 16, 2017 23:06:19 GMT -5
I don't know how authentic this would be, but I like my comfort. I'd start with a flat sennit of hemp, jute or manila about an inch to an inch and a half wide, perhaps of 1/8" strands for the middle part that would be over my shoulder. When it was long enough, say one or two feet, transition to wall and crown for a couple of rounds, then twist into ordinary rope for both ends where it's tied to the gourd. It'd be tempting to net or macrame around the gourd, but that would be for appearance, I don't think it's needed for utility.
- Haldan Ragnarsson
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Post by solveig on Feb 15, 2017 14:18:14 GMT -5
For the record, this is the gourd I'm using. I doubt I'll ever actually keep it filled that much, but it does hold a full quart of water, which is the sole reason I'm worried about cord strength.
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Post by solveig on Feb 15, 2017 14:20:47 GMT -5
Noble Cousins! Greetings from Sólveig! For the record, this is the gourd I'm using. I doubt I'll ever actually keep it filled that much, but it does hold a full quart of water, which is the sole reason I'm worried about cord strength. You can acquire spools of shoe lace material from domestic sources. Better still, you can buy spools of Japanese cord of the sort used for suikan and boxes for tea equipment online from amazon.co.jp. You should also be able to buy them through rakuten.co.jp.
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