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Post by Kitadatedenka on Jun 2, 2005 1:30:44 GMT -5
Odawara-dono, it was good for it's time. I think jo took the top spot.
As for sugake spacing, my preference is to space it such that, if one were to simply drill more holes, one could do kebiki. For me, it tends to give the correct spacing. As is often said here, look at a period example, and figure out the approximate spacing from that, then adjust to (good) taste.
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Post by jo on Jun 2, 2005 2:16:40 GMT -5
I think the ones from Effingham and Date are gorgeous. And you can fight in them!!!
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Post by Yvarg on Jun 6, 2005 21:52:43 GMT -5
man now i look all stupid cus a bunch of people added armor that looks good. XP when i posted this it just the first 3-ish.
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Post by tlast on Jun 7, 2005 11:31:30 GMT -5
Has anyone been critiqued or accused of rhino-ing because of the kusazuri/haidate? No one has commented yet to me on it, so I am left wondering. -Takeda I did have someone question me about a couple of shots, but it was really more of a "did that land" kind of thing. He was trying to low-step into my left and was throwing kind of a wrap (I think he was trying a thumb-leader but just couldn't quite make it work). It would catch the kusazuri and the edge of my haidate, but never actually make contact with my leg. There was a lot of eye-catching movement happening, but no impact.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Jun 7, 2005 13:23:53 GMT -5
Has anyone been critiqued or accused of rhino-ing because of the kusazuri/haidate? No one has commented yet to me on it, so I am left wondering. -Takeda A visiting knight from An Tir (now in Atlantia) came through my home barony recently. He warned me that he thought he had thrown a couple of good shots to my legs that he believed my kusazuri prevented me from acknowledging appropriately. Hrumph. In ~23 years of fighting, I had never heard that before. But it was worth reviewing. New eyes can bring new perspective. Unfamiliar arms throw unfamiliar shots. What I believe is happening is that his sword is hitting the edge of the kusazuri and he feels the impact/resistance/drag as his sword follows through and believes that he has connected with the armoured meat of my thigh. I think he might be tipping the kusazuri and is only connecting with armoured air. In all such cases, check with those who you fight with regularly and check with a few whose rank is above you but who know you well enough to tell you the truth. In my case, no one else believes that I am calling my leg shots inappropriately. But it is good to stand back now and again and review yourself and your calibration.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jun 7, 2005 13:58:04 GMT -5
An excellent point. Back when I was still working with horses, I loved when my regular trainer would go on vacation and I got to take lessons with someone else because a different pair of eyes would notice different things than he did. I frequently came away with something new to work on that Scott had taken for granted. Not that Scott wasn't a good teacher, but different people will naturally focus on different things.
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In all such cases, check with those who you fight with regularly and check with a few whose rank is above you but who know you well enough to tell you the truth.
In my case, no one else believes that I am calling my leg shots inappropriately. But it is good to stand back now and again and review yourself and your calibration.[/quote]
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Post by Sakurai Takamori on Jun 7, 2005 13:59:13 GMT -5
[/quote] A visiting knight from An Tir (now in Atlantia) came through my home barony recently. He warned me that he thought he had thrown a couple of good shots to my legs that he believed my kusazuri prevented me from acknowledging appropriately.[/quote]
Isn't that what armour is supposed to do??
I agree it's a subject that could be discussed at the start of a bout, especially against someone new, but c'mon, to my way of thinking Rhino hiding is when someone shrugs off a good solid and clean blow to the ribs (perhaps because they have a solid steel breast plate,)
A grazing shot that is deflected off the kusazuri - as it is supposed to - is a grazing shot.
It strikes me that sometimes people forget that while this is SCA combat, the armour many of us use is designed to act as close to the historical original as possible. . .and that means if a weapon is deflected off kusazuri or any other part in a glancing (and thus less harmful) shot, it's just a sign that the armour is made and functioning properly.
Sorry...rant mode off.... as an inadvertant rhino-er when I first began in the late 80s (when I wore a solid plastic breast and back and couldn't feel anything) it's a somewhat sensitive topic. It's also the reason that for all armour I have made since I have tried to make it look, wear and function as close to the original as possible.
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Jun 7, 2005 15:12:42 GMT -5
It has happened to me a number of times over the years that someone throws a shot that I either step out of range or the shot was off, and it hit the moving parts of my haidate or kusadzuri. If the shot hit the armor in the air, but not me, I don't take it.
It helps to explain that to the person if they question it, but with my haidate, for example, I use no leg ties. They just hang, and sometimes they lift or move off my leg.
This is a normal function of the armor, and should not be considered a good blow if it did not stop on the leg. It is akin to someone clipping the edge of the shikoro with the tip of their weapon. Likely it is not a good shot, so it need not be taken. As long as one is conscious of the trajectory of the incoming weapon, one need not worry about rhyno-hiding...You should know if it was good or not, and this game is still called by the recipient and his honor, not the shooter and his intent. Date
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Jun 7, 2005 15:14:31 GMT -5
Thanks Jo! If you ever make armor that you can fight in, you will have a decided advantage in that no one will want to hit it and they will just stand there, drooling, waiting for you to clean their clocks at will! :-) Date
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Jun 7, 2005 15:27:32 GMT -5
I thank you all that commented, and it is good to see everyone seems pretty much in agreement with what I had thought, in that it is a judgement call per situation, and since no one has commented to me, I must be judging fairly.
I think for my friend it is a little different since he has what is akin to a below knee length tabard of leather scale. When people throw wrap-shots they hit the stiff and heavy leather, even though his leg is well forward, for them it is even harder to tell where he is inside it than a sengoku era harness.
It's a case of them hitting armored air. (love the term)
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on Jun 7, 2005 15:39:49 GMT -5
Isn't that what armour is supposed to do?? Not in the SCA. Armour is to protect your bones and squishy parts. Armour is to look pretty. But the armour you wear is not supposed to be a factor in determining the effectiveness of a your opponent's blow.
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Post by Odawara on Jun 7, 2005 17:15:25 GMT -5
yeah the assumed armor standard and all.
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Post by Kitadatedenka on Jun 20, 2005 8:01:51 GMT -5
This year at Lilies, it was more of the good, the bad, and the ugly.
(Warning, frank opinions follow)
The ashigaru from last year weren't around, which frustrated me, because I wanted to turn them on to Mykaru's jingasa pattern. It's a lot better than the stovepipe look they had last year.
There was that unit of 5 or so in their somewhat matching black plastic. I'd rate them a heartfelt first effort that fell a bit short for me. The momonari's were rather nice, if flat black. There were traces of X's and tracks. Putting lacing on shin pads results not in suneate. And the full plastic arm harness has got to go. The camp stools were modern, but of the correct general pattern. The cardboard jingasa were a gas, though. Might have to get one. And is there that much armour with freaky hishinui?
I won't comment too much on the white plastic, painted a peeling burgundy 'yoroi'.
Sir Sato had a new, stainless (or plated) so-men. Very nice, but pretty garish to see a polished face out there. I also prefer to have functional shikoro (his is plastic). And I still think his hishinui is funky. I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly, but I think the sugake on his sode is spaced closely enough for kebiki.
The lady in the green-laced stuff was back again. What's with the weird, contoured red applique on her lowest plates? Otherwise, nicely done, but some X-ness.
The guy in the Calontir jin-baori has good manners, but his kit looked like a barrel hacksaw job. Perhaps it was handed down to him.
Otoshi-dono is still wearing the stuff from when he began. Biggest problem, (and endemic this year, from what I saw) the dreaded rectangular kusazuri. But I can understand his position. His kit works, and he's in the throes of being spread too thin in all his research to make new, with his current knowledge. I have the same problem.
The guy in the obviously all-stell kit needs a coat of paint, or something.
In our own unit, Toramasa-dono really needs to spend some time with me. Too few kusazuri, and rectangular. Sugake spaced nearly close enough for kebiki, and red-painted white plastic. And his form is nothing like I've seen before. We could be doing much better.
And there were the usual weird Japan-esue grotesqueries.
But that's just me. I won't bore you with my opinion of my kit.
At least dress is improving. I'm starting to see people evolving the styles of the various periods, and I can usually see which they are trying to do. But red hakama and white kosode still screams "Underwear!" to me.
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Post by Odawara on Jun 22, 2005 2:20:13 GMT -5
pictures pictures pictures Your Highness
Please?
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Post by Kitadatedenka on Jun 22, 2005 8:01:36 GMT -5
Sorry, no pictures. Didn't have the camera on me at the field. Really, just look at Date's, Eff's, jo's, and Mykaru's stuff. Don't bother with lesser armours.
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