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Post by Please Delete on Dec 28, 2008 8:03:16 GMT -5
So far I have cut out the sode and front and back lames tateage, coward plates and kusazuri still to go Just a thought: have you already done a mock-up in cardboard or something similar to make sure the dimensions are correct? I can't immediately think of any dark green lacquer--I've seen black and red lacquer, and russeting. I think any 'blue' comes from lacing material, but could easily be wrong. See above for the dou/paint selection. For your lacing you can pretty much go crazy, historically speaking. White, black, dark blue, light blue, red, yellow, green, purple. White, black, and dark blue are the easiest laces to find. Red you can get from some suppliers, and I haven't seen much in the way of green and yellow. Out of curiosity, what kind of dou are you going for? You say 'mogami-dou', but there is some variation in that. You are going to want them to hang loose, so they move, unless you are doing mock o-sode (which you don't seem to be doing). -Ii Katsumori
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Post by tengumoon on Dec 28, 2008 8:37:54 GMT -5
Yep I sure did! and even tried it with all my padding and stuff underneath it
As to colouring: Well there is a trip to the hardware superstore to see what is available in plastic paints There is also a trip to the fabric store to see what laces and fabrics are available for hakame and kote
The russet and dark green lacing is sounding interesting Maybe I should go play in photoshop a bit to see
As to Sode: I will lace them loosely and then see how it goes I havent worn armour for a long time so it will be a try it and see approach
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Post by tengumoon on Jan 1, 2009 5:44:47 GMT -5
An update: here is a photo of the plates I have cut out so far I have started to clean up the plastic edges and drill some holes I have used the top ridge of the barrell for the top plate of the sode, to give it rigidity and the appearance of that extra part - not perfect but workable The cowards plate is obviously too long - each plate is 5mm (about 8th of an inch) to high which obviously adds up over 10 plates! So they need to be trimmed! The kusazuri are still to be cut out I have found some spray paint which is supposed to be a hammered metal russet finish - so I am hoping that will work well For lacing I had trouble finding the right colour... and then the wife mentioned dying the white laces I can get - doh! thats why I keep her! I plan to do green laces with white edges on the Dou and black laces with white edges on the sode and kusazuri Yoshimitsu
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Post by Lash on Jan 1, 2009 12:12:14 GMT -5
Very Nice!!!! much better than mine i look like im carrying a red picket fence around with me ! ;D But that will change in the future .
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Post by solveig on Jan 1, 2009 15:24:17 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! I have found some spray paint which is supposed to be a hammered metal russet finish - so I am hoping that will work well Looks like you are going great guns there. I do hope that you will consider painting over the russet finish with a nice smooth lacquer black or lacquer red. The most common finish for armor of all classes found in museums really is lacquer black. At least that is my recollection. One question. It looks like you are drilling your holes prior to painting. If so, are you making them big enough to accommodate the layer of paint which will make its way into them?
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jan 1, 2009 17:57:55 GMT -5
I do hope that you will consider painting over the russet finish with a nice smooth lacquer black or lacquer red. The most common finish for armor of all classes found in museums really is lacquer black. At least that is my recollection. From www.sengokudaimyo.com/katchu/katchu.ch03.html (last paragraph) "The most common color, of course, is black. This is followed by a glossy brick red, a brighter crimson red, and a flat russet brown." Our Most Honorable Moderator did a kabuto and do in russetted steel. I like how it looks, even if the original kusazuri rang like cow bells. farm3.static.flickr.com/2332/2025746652_96be7950d2.jpg
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Post by tengumoon on Jan 1, 2009 19:07:26 GMT -5
Solveig said:
I dont wish to be common.
Yes I am aware of this. I am concerned about the paint chipping out from the holes if I drilled it after. If I needs must then I can always re-drill.
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Post by mrcunningham on Jan 1, 2009 21:14:35 GMT -5
Looking good on the pattern front. Happy hole-drilling X 1200+!
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Post by tengumoon on Jan 1, 2009 23:06:49 GMT -5
only 1200 holes?? yeah right... around 90 plates with approx 20 - 40 holes per plate = maybe up to as many as 3000 holes... I love my cordless drill with extra battery!
funniest thing was just buying 30+ packets of laces...
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Post by tengumoon on Jan 3, 2009 8:17:03 GMT -5
Ok so I have done the front section and put it together temporarily with plastic cable ties... and looks right phew!
a question tho - I am thinking of putting a mon on the amour
now obviously I put this on after painting it, but should I paint over the lacing or under it?
this migth seem like an obvious question but I can only find examples of mon on the armours without lacing
were mons not put onto these armours with odoshi?
should the mon go on the front of the Dou... or the Sode.. or both?
thanks
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Post by augifertangtang on Jan 3, 2009 11:03:43 GMT -5
Well, from what I've seen and all the pictures I've come across, there are a few with what seems to be mon's laced into the armor, these few examples have all been the red sun.... however, I'm sure you can make something out of sugake and work around image by matching the lacing to the color of the mon. Or if doing Kebiki, the lacing just makes the pattern. Here is what i'm talking about If you look at the gallery where it is found, there are red sun images on the sode, the front and back of the dou. I hope this helps. Now, I am not too experienced and I am not an expert so I expect to corrected quite quick, so please take my advice with a grain of salt. ~August
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Post by Kurodachi no Mykaru on Jan 3, 2009 19:33:47 GMT -5
Paint first, then lace with matching ito. For example the red sun, any lacing inside the sun would be red as well.
People tend to focus on (remember) more early armours. As you get into all steel armours, the percentage russetted goes way up. The very best kabuto and Menpo were russetted to show the skill of the armourer. Of the surviving Myochin and Saotome kabuto I've seen, about 70% were russetted.
The russet colour *lacquer* on the other hand is a nightmare. You can get those antiques cheap because almost no-one can repair the damaged lacquer.
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Post by tengumoon on Jan 4, 2009 7:01:13 GMT -5
thank you...
I am not sure which mon I wish to use yet so perhaps the mon on the Dou is a bit out of my league yet
perhaps in future the sode will get mon (that would be much simpler)
Next ot of pics will be up soon... the Dou will be rigged together with cable ties just to check it all fits together
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Post by tengumoon on Jan 7, 2009 19:48:49 GMT -5
Do Haidate (iyo) overlap on the sides as well as the bottom / top? If so which plates overlap? outside over inside plates? or vice versa?
Or are the sides butted together?
thanks
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Post by Please Delete on Jan 8, 2009 6:41:41 GMT -5
Depends on what you are doing, but generally, I believe they do.
-Ii
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