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Post by Please Delete on Jan 30, 2010 23:28:28 GMT -5
Looks beautiful!
On painting (especially with gold painting), have you considered painting the gold areas, then painting the black over it (or black, gold, then black detail work)? I'm wondering because it seems to be the technique I've seen used in both Thailand and Japan for such work. Granted, I'm guessing that has to do with the fact that gold leafing is easier to put down, first, then paint on top (getting the fine lines in gold would be nearly impossible, otherwise).
I'm beginning to wonder whether or not this wouldn't work with painting projects like this and I'm curious how your experiences so far bear out.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jan 30, 2010 23:46:39 GMT -5
On painting (especially with gold painting), have you considered painting the gold areas, then painting the black over it (or black, gold, then black detail work)? Either way could work if one is doing this with the sorts of materials I'm using. Since my base color was black and requires several coats because of how the wood was sucking it up, it's easier to get that down, then decorate over it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 14:59:27 GMT -5
(For Ishiyama-dono, you should be able to see where the 1/4" filler strips run along the top edges of the long sides so that the end boards have something even to fit into.) The strip of wood will also help prevent chipping on the edge of the plywood. It's a good design. I guess I take my table saw's ability to easily shave a quarter inch off thin plywood for granted.  I also like your use of rods to create a frame at the corners of the box. I used a similar method ( www.ee0r.com/proj/images/k5-body04.jpg ) when making my storage karabitsu Don't feel too self conscious about your use of glue. Any wood shop teacher will tell you that glue really holds wood projects together, and the nails and screws just add a little mechanical bracing. Also, once I "clamp" a side in place using nails, I can remove the hand clamps and move on. This speeds construction considerably! |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jan 31, 2010 16:41:58 GMT -5
I guess I take my table saw's ability to easily shave a quarter inch off thin plywood for granted. It's a solution for those of us who don't have the space for a woodshop and can't make the investment in a lot of tools.  Also, as an aside, I LOVELOVELOVE my little Vaughn pull saw for cutting chores. Cutting on the pull stroke is just so much easier and the handle is a comfortable fit even though I have fairly small hands. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2010 21:38:14 GMT -5
It's a solution for those of us who don't have the space for a woodshop and can't make the investment in a lot of tools. Hey, my wife owns this house (and its basement, wherein is my workshop), and actually is the one who bought the table saw. There, but for the grace of my sweetie, go I. ;D Oh yes, pull saws rule. Now that affordable, machine-made pull saws are widely available in the states, many woodworking sites have articles saying basically, "Pull saws, wow!" However, for you to be shopping for saws at Lowes when you have Hida Tool and Japan Woodworker nearby is somewhat troubling.  |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Jan 31, 2010 21:51:27 GMT -5
Orchard Supply Hardware, actually. I figured it was better to experiment at $9.99 to see if I liked it, and for my humble purposes it's a great little saw.
Honestly, last week was the first time I dared even go IN Japan Woodworkers because I figured I'd just start crying at the prices - it's literally about two blocks from my house. (Their kitchen knives, OMG....) The cheapest comparable saw at JW, it's about $30.
If I was going to outfit a serious woodshop with hand tools and I had the budget for it, that would be different.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2010 7:19:02 GMT -5
Orchard Supply Hardware, actually. I figured it was better to experiment at $9.99 to see if I liked it, and for my humble purposes it's a great little saw. Oh I hope you'll never hear me badmouth the saw, or you for buying it. My first pull saw is a $9 flush cutter from Harbor Freight, and my second is a $20 ryoba from Home Depot. My third pullsaw is somewhat better. My first chisels were a set of Stanleys off the clearance shelf for $20. My second chisels will probably have to wait until I save up enough nickels and dimes. Just think about what it's like for me, though. I have to look at those prices, and then add shipping charges. Two blocks! *sigh* |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 1, 2010 11:50:02 GMT -5
Just think about what it's like for me, though. I have to look at those prices, and then add shipping charges. Two blocks! *sigh* I know just how lucky I am. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 7, 2010 20:15:32 GMT -5
 As done as it's going to get before Estrella War. I ran out of black paint and I am not quite happy with the stuff I ended up using on the gaming top, so it may get sanded down and redone after I return from war. The end boards came out great though, as did the dice cup, which is made out of a bamboo brush holder. In the previous photo you may notice that the hardware originally had a russet patina. While I liked it, most hardware on Japanese furnishings are either black or gold, so I ended up painting mine. The game pieces are cribbed from a miniature travel set for this photo. I need to acquire or make a set that are a little bigger. |
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Post by solveig on Feb 7, 2010 23:58:48 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! In the previous photo you may notice that the hardware originally had a russet patina. While I liked it, most hardware on Japanese furnishings are either black or gold, so I ended up painting mine. r. My experience suggests that the ideal finish would be bronze which has a dark patina. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 16:49:52 GMT -5
Sweet! Looks good so far. I'm glad you got it into a usable state in time for the event. The game pieces are cribbed from a miniature travel set for this photo. I need to acquire or make a set that are a little bigger. You can probably buy some decent wooden pieces for $10 or less. I made mine by chopping 1" long pieces off a 1" dowel with my miter saw, but that's a bit more work with a hand saw. Good practice for learning to keep the saw straight, though. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 8, 2010 20:30:14 GMT -5
Thanks. As mentioned, I'm mostly pleased with it. The things I wanted to keep inside fit nicely and it doesn't weigh a ton when I lift it, which is the nice thing about being able to use thin plywood for it. It's also the perfect height to use as a "bar" for a sake tasting. ;D
My attempt to support the local mom and pop hardware store instead of the big chain store is where I hit the snag - they didn't have the same paint I started the project with and the finish doesn't look the same. I can fix it after the war, I suppose.
I know I can get a set of backgammon/checker pieces at Games of Berkeley at some point. Though I am curious to know if there are any extant sugoroku pieces and what they looked like. Plain? Decorated? Painted? Carved?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 22:22:09 GMT -5
Though I am curious to know if there are any extant sugoroku pieces and what they looked like. Plain? Decorated? Painted? Carved? Well, Ii-dono took this picture www.flickr.com/photos/tatsushu/4005954461/ while he was touring that Heian theme park back in October. Unless my sense of scale is off, those pieces are pretty large, maybe 2 inches in diameter and 1.5 inches tall. They're decorated, but only simply. My guess is that they are carved and painted wood. They could be ceramic, I suppose. |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Feb 8, 2010 22:35:27 GMT -5
Though I am curious to know if there are any extant sugoroku pieces and what they looked like. Plain? Decorated? Painted? Carved? Well, Ii-dono took this picture www.flickr.com/photos/tatsushu/4005954461/ while he was touring that Heian theme park back in October. Unless my sense of scale is off, those pieces are pretty large, maybe 2 inches in diameter and 1.5 inches tall. They're decorated, but only simply. My guess is that they are carved and painted wood. They could be ceramic, I suppose. I have to wonder....they look an awful lot like Middle Eastern backgammon pieces of the kind I see all over eBay. |
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