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Post by tengumoon on Apr 15, 2009 20:02:30 GMT -5
Asakura - I really am drawn to the flower cropped by the circle (the middle one) but it realy falls to your own taste and the ease with which it can be applied to items and the ease with which it can be recognised as being yours (and not confused with others devices)
Yamanouchi - I really wanted a circular mon and so the dragonflies got dropped - the tomoe sakura looks great in red upon my shield and will fit with everythign else nicely
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Post by solveig on Apr 16, 2009 1:54:16 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig!  I suspect that this one will give you the least problem with the College of Arms. But, why not just have a single one without a circle or being chopped off at the bottom? |
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Post by tengumoon on Dec 12, 2009 21:58:15 GMT -5
I eventually went with a tomoe sakura...
five spiralled petals... and in consultation with my local herald it will be registered as a fieldless badge rather than a coat of arms which makes a lot more sense
A question tho... my young lad is looking for a mon with a cat yet I have been unable to uncover an example of a cat (neko) in a Japanese crest
Can anybody assist?
Other options are either the kanji or a cats pawprint
thoughts?
thanks
Kenji
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Post by Noriko on Dec 12, 2009 22:32:44 GMT -5
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Post by tengumoon on Dec 13, 2009 1:01:34 GMT -5
thank you kindly Norie - that was the first place I looked
and yes, a little inspiration should work wonders for the lad... I gave him the choice.. he either draws himself a kamon or he has to wear mine as a retainer... hehehehe
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Post by Kôriki Ryuushirô Hiroshige on Dec 13, 2009 7:44:04 GMT -5
neat. is there one in english? |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Dec 13, 2009 12:17:25 GMT -5
neat. is there one in english? Go here: www.google.com/language_tools?hl=enPaste the URL in the box that says "Translate a web page," and choose the languages you want to translate to and from. |
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Dec 13, 2009 13:05:06 GMT -5
He should just put a big fat tiger stencil on his jacket.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2009 16:04:04 GMT -5
You might recognize the source art for my mon in that page. I wanted to use the entire usagi in my mon, but the heralds told me that if I wanted the rabbit to be facing front (affronty) it had to be seated (sejant) not lying down (couchant) as in the original art. So, I settled for "hare's head cabossed" and lost the body. That's just something to keep in mind for any feline variations. Your local heralds may be of different opinion, of course, but since after their suggestions my mon was approved, I'm not arguing too much with the AEthelmearc heralds.  |
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Dec 13, 2009 19:51:30 GMT -5
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Post by Please Delete on Dec 13, 2009 20:22:01 GMT -5
Agreed on the local practice issue. I think that the "sumo bunny" should be registrable as long as you can show it in period in Japan. You then need only to be able to describe it in Western heraldic terms.
RE: cats: What about tigers? I can't think of a tiger mon directly, but you might be able to do something incorporating byakko, the white tiger of the west. The four guardian animals are common motifs from Asuka Period up to the Bakumatsu (the Byakkotai were a particularly famous and tragic reserve brance of the Aizu-han forces, made up mostly of youths).
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Post by Noriko on Dec 13, 2009 20:44:52 GMT -5
Huh, I'm surprised the bunny as pictured doesn't count as sejant. It's basically an amorphous blob with feet... lots of wiggle room there (;
(I have a pet rat of roughly the same body type- there's not much difference between laying down and sitting when you're basically a pear with paws)
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Post by solveig on Dec 13, 2009 21:08:35 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! You might recognize the source art for my mon in that page. I wanted to use the entire usagi in my mon, but the heralds told me that if I wanted the rabbit to be facing front (affronty) it had to be seated (sejant) not lying down (couchant) as in the original art. So, I settled for "hare's head cabossed" and lost the body. That's just something to keep in mind for any feline variations. I'm sad that you didn't appeal the local decision. This is really the sort of thing that can be supported by including a documented picture and writing an argument in support of the practice. The problem with doing this for cats is that we really need to argue an example which exactly corresponds to something which is documentable. Then we would have had a decent chance of getting it through the College of Arms. Without either a period example or a prior registration with the College of Arms, the person with the cat will need to try to argue their case based upon TSCA Anglo-Norman heraldry. |
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Post by Yamanouchi Eidou on Dec 13, 2009 23:18:42 GMT -5
My suggestion isn't even a mon. Just a coo Screen or Stencil printed Tiger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2009 12:42:11 GMT -5
In theory (By which I mean, it says so in the rules), you can depart from standard western heraldic practice, if you can show reasonable evidence that it happened locally. Yes, but every step you take away from "standard" decreases the likelihood that the device will be approved. My device is also registered as a fieldless badge, since there's already an "Or, something sable" registered. Registering the fieldless badge with a "hexagon Or" drew comment from the college, and was judged a step from standard. Despite the fact that the manual used by the consulting herald showed a hexagon under "polygons", hexagons are not documented in any period European heraldry. It was allowed as a step specifically because hexagons are common in Japanese mon. Ironically, is is becuse hexagons are not documented for Europe that the badge was registerable. Had I attempted to register a similar design with a lozenge or "shield" instead, it would have been rejected for including a "medium for heraldic display". The important parts to me were the hexagon Or and the hare sable. The exact shape for the hare was only important to keep me from having to alter the artwork I took from Otomiya. The decision not to push for the full hare was mine. The local heralds provided me with advice and recommendations, which I chose to take to increase the chances of my device passing. Even if I'd gone to the trouble to document a full hare, combining that with the hexagon might have resulted in a bounce and a waste of eight months, so I'm glad I took the advice. I "forwarded" the advice here because it seemed relevant. Figure out what's important to you, and be prepared to compromise on lesser things. I do not recommend going into the heraldic consultation with an iron-clad design or there is little the herald can do to help you. Do not get the tattoo until after the device is approved. ;D |
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