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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2011 13:01:00 GMT -5
I think I found a pretty good price (US$50 plus shipping) on "furniture grade" yari at this random site on the Internet. The question is, is either of these two shapes more appropriate or less appropriate for Momoyama period?   I'm not sure why these are listed under "Spartan Gear". I'd ask this question under the buki forum, but circumstances lead me to feel that referring to them as "weapons" might be optimistic. |
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Post by Ishida Kentarou Mitsumasa on Dec 6, 2011 15:11:07 GMT -5
The one on the right looks much more Japanese to me. If you look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yari, none of the examples there have the big flare-out that there is in the model on the left. That matches what I have seen in museums and in Kurosawa movies. I'd go with the one on the right. Also, it makes me very happy that you're seriously considering this.  |
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Post by Yagyu Jubei Takemori on Dec 8, 2011 15:07:21 GMT -5
That is going to look awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2011 8:53:16 GMT -5
The yari arrived the other day. I've updated the picture to show it.  On the up side, it does look better. On the down side, the actual pole part of the yari is a bit shorter than the pole I was using. Not a big deal, but the banner goes down into the stand a bit now. I was worried that the butt cap on the shaft would not fit through the hole I had drilled in the cross piece of the stand, and sure enough it doesn't. The "good" news is that the butt cap was just glued on, and it slid off when I removed the bubble wrap. Now it's removable!  Hey, you order $50 spear from the Internet, and if you get what you pay for you count yourself lucky. This "yari" has a few flaws, not the least of which is that the head isn't particularly Japanese. It's not triangular in cross-section (more of a rhombus), and (even though this was the straighter of the two) it flares noticeably towards the bottom. It is a solid piece of steel though, if not particularly sharp. There's a bit more rattle in it than I'd like, but not in the join of the shaft where I expected. This is a reasonable yari for $50, in my opinion. (More pics at www.ee0r.com/objects/yari/ ) |
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Post by solveig on Dec 15, 2011 18:33:24 GMT -5
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Greetings from Solveig! Congratulations on acquiring a yari. I do wonder though whether there is any historical precedent for using a yari as a banner pole.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2011 22:29:22 GMT -5
Greetings from Solveig! Congratulations on acquiring a yari. I do wonder though whether there is any historical precedent for using a yari as a banner pole. Historical? I don't know. Like I said earlier, I've had a lot of trouble doing searches about this item. I do know that all the pictures I have seen show decorative spears/pikes, poles with decorative heads, plain wooden poles, or leafy tree branches. |
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Post by Please Delete on Dec 15, 2011 23:00:23 GMT -5
I've seen yari used for banner poles in Edo period parades. Not sure about earlier, but it makes sense.
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Post by Suzuki Ken'ichi on Dec 16, 2011 13:23:22 GMT -5
Since the metal is the most difficult portion of the spear to construct, if the head isn't well seated on the shaft, perhaps you could think about putting a new shaft on the head, one that is taller / longer?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 20:33:08 GMT -5
I entered the banner stand and new banner I made with the baronial populace badge into the A&S competition of this weekend's Baronial birthday party event.  Baron Liam was tickled pink, and awarded it the Baron's Choice award in the competition as well as asking me to be his standard bearer for the procession into court (Bearing this standard, natch.) Technically, this isn't the populace badge. According to the CoH, the border should be "embattled" more like this graphic of the Baronial arms:  For this banner, since it's for me, I decided to go for "artistic license" and not worry about the embattlement. Nobody complained. Since I love hearing our big Scottish Baron giggle like a small Japanese schoolgirl, I've now put "True Baronial Banner" on my project list. I can handle the comet and the wreath no problem, but I'm looking for ideas on how to do an embattled border on a hata-jirushi banner. Should I just go ahead and paint a round embattled border and not worry about it? Should I put the border around the entire banner? Maybe just an embattled horizontal stripe above the comet and wreath? Should I go for a nobori instead of a hata-jirushi and use yellow tabs? What do yinz think would be my best balance between the European heraldry and the Japanese aesthetic? |
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on May 28, 2012 22:08:33 GMT -5
Should I just go ahead and paint a round embattled border and not worry about it? Should I put the border around the entire banner? Maybe just an embattled horizontal stripe above the comet and wreath? I like the idea of putting the border all the way around, but suggest you make a couple test sketches and see what you like best. Nice work! |
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Post by Sō Haruko on May 28, 2012 22:26:44 GMT -5
Oh, this looks great! How have I not seen it before? I like it very much.
I think if you're going to put the border all the way around the banner, it will look better on a nobori. But I agree with Saionji-hime, try some sketches first to see what you like best.
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Post by solveig on May 29, 2012 14:53:58 GMT -5
Noble Cousin! Greetings from Solveig! I can handle the comet and the wreath no problem, but I'm looking for ideas on how to do an embattled border on a hata-jirushi banner. Should I just go ahead and paint a round embattled border and not worry about it? Should I put the border around the entire banner? Maybe just an embattled horizontal stripe above the comet and wreath? Should I go for a nobori instead of a hata-jirushi and use yellow tabs? What do yinz think would be my best balance between the European heraldry and the Japanese aesthetic? The arms of BMDL are not particularly amenable to being treated as a kamon. However, since you are determined to do this, please understand that it is possible to put a division (either horizontal or diagonal) between the part of the banner that holds the kamon and the majority of the banner below the kamon. This suggests embattling in a square like fashion at the top and putting the remainder of the arms of BMDL inside the square. The remainder of the banner might be the same color as the embattled bit. Try to keep the total number of colors used for your banner down to three. It's too bad I wasn't able to make it to Heralds & Scribes as I have a presentation on Japanese Heraldry. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 7:37:06 GMT -5
Sketches:  True it's always going to look a little funny trying to shoehorn European heraldry (laurel wreaths, Bayeux tapestry comets, fancy borders) onto Japanese objects, but they're not going to register Japanese heraldry for the Barony just so I can make a more historical banner. |
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Post by Ishida Kentarou Mitsumasa on May 30, 2012 10:00:09 GMT -5
I like the first and fourth ones. Also, the banner you made looks amazing. |
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Post by tengumoon on May 30, 2012 22:18:44 GMT -5
First and fourth
what about doing horizontal yellow embattlement directly above and below the symbols?
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