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Post by madyaas on Sept 12, 2005 16:04:18 GMT -5
Hi there, My name is Barry, and the title explains a little of this post. I only feel I might not belong here since I'm not a member of the SCA, so I feel like i'm stepping on the wrong territory, but I came across Makiwara's web page on the Kosode and have used her information on making a Kimono for a halloween outfit this year. She pointed me here, and I've found this board to be very interesting, as I'm pretty interested in the historical aspects of Japanese clothes (So much more varied than today's). I registered because i thought I might want to comment where I can (which may not be often here). I showed her some of the painting i've done with gold fabric paint i'd used to do a design of three distant mountains on the okumi and migoro panels of the Kimono that was a lot like you see of mountains and stones on Japanese gilt painted objects. She had said she was going to show you all, but I haven't seen her post anything, so I thought I'd save her some work and do it myself: I realize it's not at all what most modern Japanese men would wear in public as a formal Kimono (maybe a Yukata), but then again this is all about flash, but not too gaudy. All of that painting makes it look a bit like what i've seen on Tomesode. It's also not constructed exactly like what i've seen on modern kimono (I was fretting to Makiwara in email over the okumi and migoro seam being father over than i've seen in modern Kimono). I also had to increase the sleeve length, although Makiwara did a good job of explaining how to do a kosode sleeve and body panel width, if I were to do one (just divide my arm span by 4 for the panel widths). I'm 6'2" so measurements for Japanese men result in a Kimono that's too short in length and sleeves (unless mine were custom made). I'm not totally done with it. The lower part of the back will have a gilded pine, and near the neckline in the back middle will be a personal mon I created, based upon the look of one of the species of native California wildflowers in the Calochortus genus: The Haori i've created also has the same mon on the middle back (rather large though, a bit more like the "logos" on Happi). All of that decoration on a man's kimono probably would make Japanese kimono purists blanch, but I think less so than some of the sad, pathetic costumes you can buy made of cheap costumer's satin. However, I have seen men's Kimono with lots of stenciling along the bottom hem, the lower back and up near the collar. By the way, the nickname is the name of a sacred mountain on the island of Panay in the Philippines called Madya-as. If I'm not meant to be here, I'd fully understand if I'm barred from posting here
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Post by AJBryant on Sept 12, 2005 16:28:25 GMT -5
Feh. You needn't be in the SCA to be here. Just interested in Japanese history (and, probably, some aspect of reenacting same).
That's a *majorly* spiff piece of painting. What exactly is the medium you used, and how did you do it? It's very drool-worthy. ;D
Effingham
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on Sept 12, 2005 16:37:21 GMT -5
Welcome! I agree with Effingham, aka Hiraizumi-dono here about the garment being very "drool-worthy!" I too am interested in knowing the media and technique... Date
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Post by madyaas on Sept 12, 2005 17:28:51 GMT -5
Thanks! The kimono itself is made of cotton Kona Cloth, which has a nice flat weave. It's thin, but has enough body that when lined the entire thing has some weight. I did a lower lining in a lighter purple, and an upper lining in a white muslin. The whole thing is fairly heavy for a garment (feels a bit heavier than a good trench coat). Even washed the first time and ironed out it still has a slight sheen to it. I used Lumiere's Bright Gold metallic paint, as it has the shine and yellow that i've seen on gold leaved cloth. It's pretty easy to work with, and since it doesn't bleed or spread, it can be easily blended to give a nice gradation that appears like ink painting work. I didn't use ink painting brushes because the ones I have are way to soft to give a good line, so, I used an artists fine tipped brush, and a round tipped sable brush to do some of the filling and the blending. The paint work is brilliant in full sun. I did try a stencil initially, but found that I was able to get mountains as I wanted just as easily doing it all by hand, so only the middle mountain on the left hand side has stencil work done, everything else is all freehand. Here's a closer shot of the painting: I'm hoping to get the rest of it done sometime this week so I can clean it up and then heat set the paint.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 12, 2005 18:58:50 GMT -5
Awesome! I'm so glad you decided to check it out!
That was because when I ask someone's permission to borrow their photos or link to their website, I wait for them to say "Yes." I was waiting on your permission. ;->
You did a gorgeous job, especially for a Halloween costume. I hope we can induce you to stick around. There's lots of cool stuff goes on here, if you're interested.
Glad you showed up, in any event!
Saionji no Hanae, called Makiwara
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 12, 2005 19:01:06 GMT -5
BTW, Lumiere is the same paint I used on the infamous "Shoot Me" kosode. As metallic fabric paints go, it's got to be the nicest I've ever used. If you can't find it locally, try www.dharmatrading.comS.
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Post by madyaas on Sept 12, 2005 19:20:23 GMT -5
Awesome! I'm so glad you decided to check it out! Thanks for telling me, there's lots of interesting bits of info here. We-ull, i did say you could, but it seems my email response got lost in the ether, so to speak ;D Whenever I do anything for halloween, it's gotta be quality construction, as I despise anything crappily made. Besides, if I'm going to be walking around in someone else's cultural costume, it's at least got to be made the right way. I spend a good amount of money each year doing these things only because I want it to be a good costume and to last, as well as impress . I've been poking around, and i've alread found lots of interesting things. This might actually inspire me to make something authentically period sometime .
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 12, 2005 19:28:22 GMT -5
That would do it. Yahoo giveth and Yahoo crappeth out, usually at the most inopportune moments. Barry, with an attitude like that I think you're gonna fit in here just FINE. Yep. Just fine. ;D S.
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Post by raycornwell2 on Sept 12, 2005 20:34:30 GMT -5
I don't usually visit this part of the forum, only because I am an armorer, but, I am very much impressed with your skills here! Makes me wanna try out garment making! It would add to my armor, anyways, to have nice clothing to match.
you should stick around, and get to know these wonderful people. You will surely be welcome, and you will learn a thing or two on the way!
Hey, you may even find that reenacting is your cup of tea! Then you don't have to wait for one day a year to dress this way! Events are everywhere!
Again, droolworthy work, here!
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Post by madyaas on Sept 12, 2005 22:06:42 GMT -5
I don't usually visit this part of the forum, only because I am an armorer, but, I am very much impressed with your skills here! Makes me wanna try out garment making! It would add to my armor, anyways, to have nice clothing to match. Why thank you. I admit though, I did use a machine, but only because I thought of this project a month ago, and it would take me forever, but hey, that's OK, and it makes the work easier. I figured it out by keen observation and looking at details. I think I just figured out why the seam of the okumi and migoro panels is so far towards the edge of the lapel now. But, I'm pretty good at figuring things out just by looking at photographs (in the long tradition of Filipino tailors who can look at an item and reproduce it). Hey, thanks. What might be even more hilarious is to create a period piece from the right materials and bring it in to the Japanese department at school to make the Japanese majors impressed and the exchange students giggle.
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Post by Takeda Sanjuichiro on Sept 12, 2005 22:10:39 GMT -5
Welcome to the board Your kimono is absolutely beautiful, very nice work, and very tasteful. Look forward to reading your posts and looking at your other projects. -Takeda
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Post by raycornwell2 on Sept 12, 2005 22:31:27 GMT -5
Same here!
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Post by Yvarg on Sept 12, 2005 23:59:26 GMT -5
wait, its a BAD thing if you use a sewing machine now? agh, now ill REALLY never learn to sew...oh yeah, gotta love the clothing design. a very eye catching piece.
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Post by madyaas on Sept 13, 2005 0:24:58 GMT -5
wait, its a BAD thing if you use a sewing machine now? agh, now ill REALLY never learn to sew...oh yeah, gotta love the clothing design. a very eye catching piece. Well, no, not at all, which is why i'm using one . I can get pretty anal about projects, especially since one site said something like machine sewn and pressed kimono never look right, although I can never tell. Me, personally, if I were to get all kinds of crazy elaborate i'd do hand sewing, but the lazy side takes over and said "Oh, heeeeeeeeeell no!" Thanks to the rest of you I haven't thanked. A friend of mine fully thought I was going to be doing a furisode (we head to the Halloween in the castro every year). I told him no, because it would be a bit more than I want to do, a lot more work, and besides, I like to look like a guy on halloween, but I can camp it up just a bit anyway. Although I suppose if he paid me enough money I could construct a furisode for him (he's been known to do drag).
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on Sept 13, 2005 0:35:02 GMT -5
That depends entirely upon your personal preferences.
Can you tell by looking at something whether it's been hand sewn or machine sewn - and does it matter to you?
Do you feel like you have more control of difficult fabric (stretchy, slidy, extra heavy, whatever) with a machine or by hand?
Does the noise bother you?
Do you have a deadline to race?
Greeneel, do what works for you.
S.
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