kenshiro
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Post by kenshiro on May 10, 2005 13:15:10 GMT -5
Well that puts things in an interesting predicament.. Mmmm well since I am gonna be making armour for 4 different people now.. I guess I need to buy both.. Thanks for the heads up Raito !!
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Post by kenshiro on May 10, 2005 14:12:14 GMT -5
Another question.. .
Does anyone has link to a photo gallery of SCA Japanese armour ?? I want to get some idea what the suits should look like when finished.. That and I like looking at cool suit of armour...
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on May 10, 2005 14:31:31 GMT -5
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Post by raito on May 10, 2005 15:09:51 GMT -5
Another question.. . Does anyone has link to a photo gallery of SCA Japanese armour ?? I want to get some idea what the suits should look like when finished.. That and I like looking at cool suit of armour... Umm, wouldn't it be better to make it look like real armour?
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kenshiro
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Post by kenshiro on May 10, 2005 15:30:12 GMT -5
Thank you Otagiri-dono ...
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on May 10, 2005 15:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by AJBryant on May 10, 2005 16:00:47 GMT -5
Bingo.
It's interesting to look at SCA armour. It's also interesting to see how different people "cope" with different armouring issues (e.g., where Japanese armour doesn't meet our requirements, like joint protection and hands).
But if you want to MAKE armour, look at the real thing. Otherwise, you're making an imitation of an imitation, and your starting point is already a step away from the real thing. Start with the real thing. Don't start looking to SCA models until it comes to the afore-said problem areas, and then look for solutions, not for things to copy.
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Post by kenshiro on May 10, 2005 21:22:35 GMT -5
I got a few questions... Using the pic below... The red arrow.. Is this length your armpit to waist measure ?? The white arrow.. If the red arrow is pit to waist then what it this measurement ?? Armpit to waist minus a couple of inches ??
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Post by Hiroyuki on May 10, 2005 23:31:49 GMT -5
boy those pieces look familiar... The piece with the arrow, combined with the piece above it goes from armpit to waist.
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on May 11, 2005 0:03:04 GMT -5
Plate B1 overlays plate B2 in such a way that the holes line up. There is no hanging lace in these plates in this particular dou.
The red arrow is, as Hiroyuki-dono notes, a few inches less than the the arm pit to the top of the hip. This, of course, will leave a vulnerable gap under your armpit that will get hit while you pose prettily with in jodan-no-gamae. The answer to that problem is a padded waki-biki or manju-no-wa. If you try to close that gap by making the dou so tall that it sticks right up into your pit, you will find it very uncomfortable and will likely bruise yourself on your own armour.
As to the exact measurement ... better to measure on your own body to get a better fit.
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Post by kenshiro on May 11, 2005 6:56:01 GMT -5
AHHH Okay ... I am starting to understand... Many thanks Otagiri-dono and Hiroyuki-dono...
A thousand apologizes for using your pic..
I will be working on some more patterns today.. Wich me some luck ..
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Post by kenshiro on May 11, 2005 12:24:20 GMT -5
Okay heres the new pattern... It looks a whole lot better than the others I tryed.. I havent test fitted it yet I will do that tonite... Is it getting closer to looking right ??
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Post by AJBryant on May 11, 2005 12:40:57 GMT -5
Please don't take this as snarky, but I have to ask:
Are you actually looking at the patterns on my site? If you are, I can't understand how you can come up with that....
Effingham
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Post by raito on May 11, 2005 13:32:46 GMT -5
I just have to ask, is your waist the same as your chest . If not, then a do made from this pattern is likely to be uncomfortable. If your chast is bigger than your waist, I'd think that you'd get a gap under the arm, and maybe some pinching. If your waist is bigger than your chest, the gap would be at the bottom, and the do would hang strangely. I also think that I've never seen quite that profile on the tops of your side pieces. Is there a reason why your front piece is narrow on the top, and curves out wider at the level where it joins the rest of the do?
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Post by kenshiro on May 11, 2005 13:49:02 GMT -5
Because I find the patterns from your site confusing.. I mean you told me that I am looking to make a go-mai (five-plate) hotoke do. But when I go to your website, the Hotoke Do is a two piece pattern.. So how the hell do I get five pieces ?? Like I said before I am a big guy, and chances are after I start fighting regulary I will lose some wieght.. So I need to get s Do that will be able to " down size" as I do .. You said on your website that a haramaki, a haraate, a roku-mai dô, or a ryô-awase dô. I figured a Hotoke Do would de okay since it opens on both sides.. I am trying to use the one from here, no disrespect meant Mr Bryant.. It just seem alot eaiser to understand.. Plus its from the time period I am going for 1500's as a Teppo-jin.. www.nb.net/~kmeg/kaminari/Armor/Do.htmlI am not trying to be a dumbass, I just have problems picking info up from a text.. Now if you were here showing me.. I would learn a whole lot faster... But a comment like " Are you even looking at the patterns ?? " ... That really doesnt help me...
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