kenshiro
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Post by kenshiro on May 5, 2005 14:25:05 GMT -5
Greetings !!
I have a friend who is looking to join the SCA.. He wants to portray a lower ranking Samurai.. We dont have the time period worked out yet...
I have a few questions... First, where is a good site to see the differences in armour from one period to another in Japanese history ?? Second, I am going to try to make a suit for him... I have Effingham's site bookmarked but, just in case I cant complete the suit in time .. Who makes and sells Samurai armour that is SCA legal... Third, how would we go about making a rattan katana and wakazashi for fighting ?? Also, is there a perticular period in time you would recommend for a starting Japanese persona ??
I am going to try to make a suit for him, so when I make myself one, all the bugs will be worked out.. Any and all help is appreciated !! Thanks !!
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Hiroyuki
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Post by Hiroyuki on May 5, 2005 16:10:06 GMT -5
Whichever one interests you(or him) the most. That way you are more inclined to do research and get things right. It can be fun!
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on May 5, 2005 17:03:53 GMT -5
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on May 5, 2005 17:05:50 GMT -5
Who makes and sells Samurai armour that is SCA legal... Both Mykaru and Yamamoto make SCA legal armour. Check the classifieds and vendor forums on this board.
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kenshiro
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Post by kenshiro on May 6, 2005 8:33:47 GMT -5
Greetings !!
Well I have some more info.. My friend , Steve, is interested in armour from the " Last Samurai ". Namely the armour Tom Cruise wears.. I am more interested in the armour that Hiroyuki Sanada (Ujio), and Shun Sugata (Nakao) wears..It looks like most of the Samurai are wearing Haramaki Dou, but then again I know nada about Japanese Armour... Except for Ujios armour, I havent a clue what that is..
Heres a question.. Does the armour in said film stay true to history ?? Or has Hollywood screwed things up in the sake of making a movie ??
Second, if I went to one of the armourers on this board with a request for SCA armour from said film would I get laughed of the board ??
Third, what materials should I look to for construction of a suit ?? Plastic ? Aluminum ? 16 gauge steel ? Leather ?
Lastly, should I follow Nihon Katchû Seisakuben verbatium ?? For steps to complete a suit ??
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Post by Mattstanley75 on May 6, 2005 9:28:32 GMT -5
Last Samurai is great for inspiring more research. The movie is set out of period for the SCA, which means that it's outside the timeline that the SCA portrays. I know you're excited, and you want to start NOW NOW NOW! (I'm kind of in that phase as well) The best thing to do is read, research and make a plan. Ask yourself a few things: What kind of persona do you want to portray?For instance, I'm playing a low ranking retainer/foot soldier during the mongol invasions of the 13th century, wearing scrounged armor and using a naginata. Do you have more money than time? Am I willing to do any of the work myself?I'm doing all the work myself, and being that I'm married, and preparing to move to Florida after Pennsic, my plate is full. A simple torso took me 2 months to build, and that's with very little lacing What are my local SCA chapters rules for armoring? What materials do I want to use?Your local chapter might have rules against exposed plastic, for instance. You might also want to choose a period material for authenticity reasons. I think a good deal of here are pro-plastic, though. Check out the "effingham" kozane plates on www.plasticlammellar.com if you don't mind doing this yourself.
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kenshiro
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Post by kenshiro on May 6, 2005 11:30:13 GMT -5
Last Samurai is great for inspiring more research. The movie is set out of period for the SCA, which means that it's outside the timeline that the SCA portrays. I know you're excited, and you want to start NOW NOW NOW! (I'm kind of in that phase as well) The best thing to do is read, research and make a plan. Actually ,for once, I am not the one in a rush.. I have my current kit.. A Englishmen from 1400.. My buddy is the one who is rushing.. He wants it done right, cheap , and done NOW ...Aha the triangle.. He is quite keen and wants to jump in with both feet !! Ask yourself a few things: What kind of persona do you want to portray?For instance, I'm playing a low ranking retainer/foot soldier during the mongol invasions of the 13th century, wearing scrounged armor and using a naginata. He is looking to portray a middle ranked Samurai.. Not rich but no poor either.. I am looking towards the same persona to be honest... But, my Japanese kit will be in the future... Do you have more money than time? Am I willing to do any of the work myself?I'm doing all the work myself, and being that I'm married, and preparing to move to Florida after Pennsic, my plate is full. A simple torso took me 2 months to build, and that's with very little lacing I have plenty of time .. I am a stay at home Dad at the moment..My only problem is I am a "hands on" learner.. I can not seem to pick up instruction from a book, I have to have someone to show me how... Steve on the other hand is going to college, with a job and a girlie.. So he doesnt have a lot of free time ... He might be willing to buy a suit straight off the bat but, I am still trying to get some kit prices...[/quote] What are my local SCA chapters rules for armoring? What materials do I want to use?Your local chapter might have rules against exposed plastic, for instance. You might also want to choose a period material for authenticity reasons. I think a good deal of here are pro-plastic, though. Check out the "effingham" kozane plates on www.plasticlammellar.com if you don't mind doing this yourself. Well Ansteorra, our kingdom, doesnt appear to have any rules against exposed plastic.. I have been reading over the Particpants Guide and havent found a referance yet.. I have been looking at the " Effingham " plates.. I might just have to buy them.. Since I can not for love or money find black plastic barrels in Abilene... I can get white or blue, but no black !!
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Post by raito on May 6, 2005 13:06:15 GMT -5
I get my barrels from Baytec. www.bayteccontainers.com/It's not all that cheap when you count shipping, but as black barrels are traiditionally used for nasty chemicals (white for food stuff, blue for non-nasty chem), I like getting new. I've never had trouble ordering from them.
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AJBryant
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Post by AJBryant on May 6, 2005 18:16:05 GMT -5
Raito-dono: That's not a bad price. I've seen 'em listed for $55 somewhere, I believe. Never having worked with these things before -- can one get a full suit-worth of parts from one? I need to order one to make a point to a friend. Tony
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Post by raito on May 6, 2005 23:06:30 GMT -5
Same point as we spoke of at WW? My retainers, being less prosperous than I, can get dou, kusazuri, and sode from one. I can't quite get sode. That's using straight lames. You'd probably get less yield doing curved ones. There's 2 ribs that run around the circumference, and they spoil it a bit. Don't forget to use the top and botton. I use them for the munaita and suchlike, because I need to body of the barrel too much for lames. The pictures of my mostly-current rig are at: www.j-armour.com/armour_photo/(I had to make new kote. THe patten is the same as the old, but I did put bias tape around the edge, and use a piece of lace sewn to the underside of the inside forearm to lace through. Great idea. Even if it riups out, it doesn't take the whole thing with it.) This thread on the armourarchive: forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=35257shows one of the retainers armour made with the same stuff. Yes, we need to cross-lace the munaita. Yes, the pictures were taken in a mirror. As for the dimple in the lacing, he just plain did it wrong. Mine has the correct dimple, and doesn't seem to need any paper to hold it. If'n I don't win Crown, I plan on doing a whole new dou this summer for the Japanese Battle at WW. I'll try to remember to take pictures then. I need higher class stuff. If I get to do that, I'll be selling off the one I currently use, unless I get another retainer by then. There's acouple things I don't like about the barrel plastic. First off, it varies in thickness, probably because they're blow-molded. This can be corrected, but is a pain to do. The second is that the surface isn't too shiny. It makes the armour look pretty worn right from the start. That's doesn't show up as much with kebiki as with sugake.
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AJBryant
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Post by AJBryant on May 7, 2005 0:14:41 GMT -5
Y'know, I still think you guys do some of the nicest stuff with barrels that I've seen.
There's a Japanese battle at WW? Oh, dear... I think I'm gonna have to go.
Tony
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Post by Hiroyuki on May 7, 2005 0:22:22 GMT -5
Ah but Sir Raito, Krylon fusion spray paint for plastic makes it look great, and quite shiny!
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Post by Date Saburou Yukiie on May 7, 2005 10:00:12 GMT -5
Sir Raito-dono, I also think these are some very nice barrel kit. (Okegawa-kit) indeed! Date
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kenshiro
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Post by kenshiro on May 7, 2005 10:38:36 GMT -5
Date Saburou Yukiie,
I found a illustration on your website I wanted to use for personal referance...I sent you an email regarding this but, so far no word.. The picture in question is the Teppo-jin..
I am going to try to get some pictures of armour Steve, and now my brother James.. Likes since I think it would be easier to figure out the period and to get advice on construction from you chaps..
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Post by kenshiro on May 7, 2005 23:19:59 GMT -5
Heres the pattern so far.. I need to work some bugs out but things are rolling smoothly !!
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