kenshiro
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Post by kenshiro on May 11, 2005 13:54:01 GMT -5
I just have to ask, is your waist the same as your chest . If not, then a do made from this pattern is likely to be uncomfortable. If your chast is bigger than your waist, I'd think that you'd get a gap under the arm, and maybe some pinching. If your waist is bigger than your chest, the gap would be at the bottom, and the do would hang strangely. My chest is 48 my waist is 44, I havent tapered the ends of the Do because I wanted to get the basic shape right first.. I will go taper them now and post some pics in a sec... I also think that I've never seen quite that profile on the tops of your side pieces. Is there a reason why your front piece is narrow on the top, and curves out wider at the level where it joins the rest of the do? Because when I posted that first pattern everyone said the chest was to narrow and the side plates to wide.. Or did I miss read the post ??
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Post by kenshiro on May 11, 2005 14:18:47 GMT -5
Okay heres the pic where the torso and waist measure in correctly ... I havent rounded the edges on the bottom of the Do.
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Post by AJBryant on May 11, 2005 14:33:51 GMT -5
Yes, and the pattern is nearly identical with that of the sendai/yukinoshita do, which you already have (see a post of Otagiri-dono's here on this thread). The only difference, really, between the yukinoshita and what YOU want is that the tateage are lames on yours, and solidly part of the rest of the do on the yukinoshita do. All you have to do is cut the lames.
No, it doesn't. Not unless you make it to. The typical hotoke do (and, for the record, all your patterns) are conventional right-side-opening armours. If you want an armour that opens on both sides, you need to duplicate that pair of overlapping right side plates for the left side. It's definitely not what you've patterned out.
The reason I'm asking is that none of the patterns has an armpit plate like you've done, or a front plate that slopes in as you've done.
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Post by kenshiro on May 11, 2005 15:24:57 GMT -5
The reason I'm asking is that none of the patterns has an armpit plate like you've done, or a front plate that slopes in as you've done. Effingham Is that a bad thing ?? I think I see where I screwed up... I'll be back ...
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Post by AJBryant on May 11, 2005 15:45:25 GMT -5
I thought this might help: First, check your pattern. For starters, you need THREE lames in the back tateage, not two. The peaks (front and back parts) of the wakiita are as tall as the finished tateage (c. 4", assuming standard 2 1/2" lames with a 1/2" overlap, in front, and 6" tall in back). Here's how to do the proper patterning: (IT should go without saying that the pattern is actually for 48" width, and the 2" additional is only applied to that final, overlapping plate!) Effingham
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Post by raito on May 11, 2005 15:46:19 GMT -5
Because when I posted that first pattern everyone said the chest was to narrow and the side plates to wide.. Or did I miss read the post ?? No, you read it right, and I went back and looked at your first draft. I think I see where we may have not given enough information in not relating where the joints in the do relate to parts on the body. Try this: Make the front piece wide enough so that it's just wider than your nipple to nipple measurement. Don't make the side lines of it curve -- keep them straight. Make your back piece so that it covers from the outside of each shoulder blade. This is likely wider than you'd do it on your own, but helps greatly with the sillhouette. Make each side piece fit in from there, remembering to so the taper like you have already done. Find some examples of real dou, and copy the tops from there. There's a couple styles, and you'll probably find one you like. Just adjusting for the difference between chest and waist makes the pattern look better -- and it will fit better. Really, at this point, you can consider that all dou are the same shape, they're just constructed from different pieces to get that shape. It's a bit of a simplification, but good for now. Later on, you'll start seeing differences. Well, yes, it is, but easily correctable on a paper pattern. The reason it's bad is that the current pattern results in a dou that (in someone's words) look Japanese-ish, rather than Japanese. We'd love for you to look Japanese. Also, I wouldn't count on fighting to lower your weight. It's just not aerobic enough for that. But you may find that you want to work our more in order to fight better. That's good. A haramaki really is the best bet for changing girth (after all, the legend of its invention counts that as an influence).
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Post by AJBryant on May 11, 2005 16:13:07 GMT -5
Here's a bit more. Since you said you wanted a haramaki or a ryoawase do (but are patterning something else), I've laid out the basic pattern and how to make the proper conversions: Effingham
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Post by kenshiro on May 11, 2005 17:26:57 GMT -5
Okay since I have messed up on my own so far.. I am gonna ask step by step... I just cut the main chest plate with the lames, shown below... The measurements on this is 12 inches wide, 10 inches tall lames are 3 tall x 12 wide I also cut the main back plate out with lames also below.. Measurements are 18 wide x 10 tall, lames are 3 tall x 18 wide Going of those measurments my side pieces would be 10 tall x 11 wide, correct ?? Then for the right piece add two inches for overlap, correct ??
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Post by Otagiri Tatsuzou on May 11, 2005 17:43:25 GMT -5
(1) You need to add one more lame to the back. Just copy 'back plate 2' and call it 'back plate 2b'.
(2) You need to shape the 'chest plate 3' to resemble the letter - M - (but not so sharp).
The 'chest plate' and 'back plate' should be the same height (I cannot tell in the pictures). But there should be one more lame in the back - making the total height of the back a little bit taller than the total height of the front.
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Post by AJBryant on May 11, 2005 18:09:12 GMT -5
Kenshiro --
This is what I mean about LOOKING at the patterns. LOOK at them before you start cutting. Several times we've mentioned that the back has three lames, the front two, above the torso-part of the armour. These lames do NOT include the oshitsuke-no-ita (the top back plate, which is by definition not part of the lame count) or the munaita (ditto for the front).
The five plates making up the torso section are all the same height.
If you read the instructions on my website on making the armour, you'll note that I talk about lame counts, and how to measure the do. Basically, the front is as wide as your nipple-to-nipple measurement; the back is that plus about 25-30%, and the sides are whatever is left over.
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Post by kenshiro on May 11, 2005 18:12:58 GMT -5
Right then....
I am going to go back over Mr Bryant's site and read everything again.. Since I am ask questions I should know the answers to...
Once I do that then I'll pick up a pair of scissors and some posterboard....
BTW: Thanks for the patience ladies and gentlemen..
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Post by AJBryant on May 11, 2005 18:17:27 GMT -5
Too tall?
Again:
The five plates making up the torso section are all the same height.
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on May 11, 2005 20:37:40 GMT -5
I've taken the liberty of trying something with Effingham-sensei's dou pattern - exploding it and superimposing it on graph paper. If you can calculate the number of squares for a known measurement, you can use this to mark a grid on your pattern cardboard and redraw it to scale. See if this helps at all. Makiwara
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on May 11, 2005 20:39:17 GMT -5
Crap, Geocities just did something funky with my image file. Kenshiro, I'll email you the jpg. See if you can print it. M
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Post by Saionji Shonagon on May 11, 2005 20:49:03 GMT -5
One more time. Wow! Total protonic reversal...... M.
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